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I still wonder how many idiots will not only vote for donnie (or sit out) because of Gaza, or - just as stupidly - vote for donnie because “Bidenflation” and little d’s supposedly “great policies” I keep hearing he supposedly had.
There are multiple reasons idiots will vote for Trump, but I really get upset at the number of disconnected types who believe that the only reason people are not necessarily voting for Trump… but instead just not showing up to vote (when they ostensibly would for Biden were they to vote), is “because they are idiots.”
Instead what should be happening is introspection by the party of “not-fascists” trying to understand what they could do to galvanize their own voter base into volunteering and showing up and voting in record numbers.
They’re not going to convince any Trump voters to vote for Biden, but they really fucking need people who mistakenly think - as a result of lacking party action - that “their vote doesn’t matter” or that there’s not much really that they stand to tangibly gain by waiting in an 8 hour line in an otherwise deeply blue district where Republicans got rid of all the other polling locations.
Hell, I think at this point even just a few firebrand speeches from party leaders instead playing on loop the “gee shucks not all Republicans are bad” line would help… but really…
…If the “not-fascist” party’s only answer is, “I don’t know… umm… we reduced overdraft fees, stopped prices from getting even worse, and I think we can make it so you can still maybe get an abortion in blue states as long as you aren’t traveling through a route where you pass through a psycho-run red state?”
…then we are probably in a concerning position… because normal working people don’t leave their shitty job on a bus to then show up and stand all day in line for polls when they don’t feel there is much of a measurable and direct benefit to their lives.
How many of those people who were fired are disconnected generally from politics are going to just associate that “when Biden was president” was when they lost their job and will vote just based off that?!
If genocide isn’t your red line you are not a good person. Had this happened under Trump, liberals would be demanding action instead of demanding a vote for the condoner of those deaths.
They would continue on this genocidal path with their own weapons they already have and ones they already produce locally. This is a holy war, with Netanyahu’s goal being to cling to power. He’s already stated that he doesn’t intend to stop; peace isn’t an option, and I’m inclined to believe him.
So, Biden simply doesn’t have the power or leverage to stop him, even if we leveled sanctions at them (which would never happen, because they’re still a geopolitical ally). I agree with the general premise that we shouldn’t give them more weapons, but it’s disingenuous and reductive to talk and act like Biden is somehow directly responsible for the war crimes.
Biden when people protest at his events: Maybe possibly sometime in the future I should look into this potentially maybe.
Trump when people protest at his events: sends in unmarked police officers with military equipment and federal backing to arrest anyone they want for no reason in the city the protesters might be from.
I like having a President that allows me my Constitutional Freedoms while protesting for change so I can continue bringing the topic up until something happens.
Trump would do the same. There is no choice in the presidential election you can make that will prevent genocide. Biden supports Israel. Trump supports Israel. Not voting means one will get in. Voting third party won’t do anything until we can get RCV, approval, or STAR voting to happen.
No, Trump will be far worse. If any of these people actually care about doing something that has any possibility whatsoever of preserving Palestinian lives, they would shut the fuck up and vote for Biden. Then they can spend four years grooming the next progressive candidates that they want to run and support them in the primary.
They want to sit out so they can tell everyone they’re better than them because they didn’t vote for the guy who’s not stopping genocide, when the reality is that their inaction could very well lead to another Trump presidency. Then we go from not stopping genocide, to becoming an active participant.
That’s why I think these people (well, the ones who are genuine, not all the astroturfers here that are concern trolling to get people to question their support for Biden) don’t actually care about Palestinian lives and are doing this more out of a personal desire to avoid guilt.
There are degree’s of response to genocide. If you think you Trump will have a harsher response towards Israel’s genocide than Biden, then you should definitely vote for Trump or not vote for Biden.
But make no mistake: not voting for Biden isn’t a condemnation of Biden’s response to the genocide, it’s an endorsement of how you think Trump will respond.
One voice turns into a dozen voices which turns into two dozen voices which turns into thousands and millions of voices. This is what ended the Vietnam war
Yeah that’s what these people want. They are concern trolling in order to get other people to second guess their support for Biden. They could not care less about Palestinian lives. If they did, they wouldn’t be doing everything in their power to get Trump elected.
I still wonder how many idiots will not only vote for donnie (or sit out) because of Gaza, or - just as stupidly - vote for donnie because “Bidenflation” and little d’s supposedly “great policies” I keep hearing he supposedly had.
There are multiple reasons idiots will vote for Trump, but I really get upset at the number of disconnected types who believe that the only reason people are not necessarily voting for Trump… but instead just not showing up to vote (when they ostensibly would for Biden were they to vote), is “because they are idiots.”
Instead what should be happening is introspection by the party of “not-fascists” trying to understand what they could do to galvanize their own voter base into volunteering and showing up and voting in record numbers.
They’re not going to convince any Trump voters to vote for Biden, but they really fucking need people who mistakenly think - as a result of lacking party action - that “their vote doesn’t matter” or that there’s not much really that they stand to tangibly gain by waiting in an 8 hour line in an otherwise deeply blue district where Republicans got rid of all the other polling locations.
Hell, I think at this point even just a few firebrand speeches from party leaders instead playing on loop the “gee shucks not all Republicans are bad” line would help… but really…
…If the “not-fascist” party’s only answer is, “I don’t know… umm… we reduced overdraft fees, stopped prices from getting even worse, and I think we can make it so you can still maybe get an abortion in blue states as long as you aren’t traveling through a route where you pass through a psycho-run red state?”
…then we are probably in a concerning position… because normal working people don’t leave their shitty job on a bus to then show up and stand all day in line for polls when they don’t feel there is much of a measurable and direct benefit to their lives.
I mean… do you see how many tech companies have laid off TENS OF THOUSANDS of employees in just the past couple of months?
How many of those people who were fired are disconnected generally from politics are going to just associate that “when Biden was president” was when they lost their job and will vote just based off that?!
If genocide isn’t your red line you are not a good person. Had this happened under Trump, liberals would be demanding action instead of demanding a vote for the condoner of those deaths.
i don’t know if you know this, but Biden isn’t president of israel or gaza
How many dollars of military sales to Israel has Biden approved?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/the-biden-administration-once-again-bypasses-congress-on-an-emergency-weapons-sale-to-israel
You’re delusional if you think the US doesn’t have any influence on the behavior of Israel.
Do you suppose Israel would stop if we stopped giving them money?
Israel relies on American arms. That gives the US a lot of leverage to influence Israeli policy.
Do you think Netanyahu would stop if their American arms supply dried up tomorrow?
You tell me.
How do you think Israel would respond if American arms were contingent on deescalation? Or at least a change in status quo.
They would continue on this genocidal path with their own weapons they already have and ones they already produce locally. This is a holy war, with Netanyahu’s goal being to cling to power. He’s already stated that he doesn’t intend to stop; peace isn’t an option, and I’m inclined to believe him.
So, Biden simply doesn’t have the power or leverage to stop him, even if we leveled sanctions at them (which would never happen, because they’re still a geopolitical ally). I agree with the general premise that we shouldn’t give them more weapons, but it’s disingenuous and reductive to talk and act like Biden is somehow directly responsible for the war crimes.
Bypassed Congress twice
But Biden controls the purse strings of the money going to Israel and the weapons being given to them to commit genocide
No he actually doesn’t. That’s not how your country works. Congress controls the purse strings.
The president controls the foreign military financing program
Biden when people protest at his events: Maybe possibly sometime in the future I should look into this potentially maybe. Trump when people protest at his events: sends in unmarked police officers with military equipment and federal backing to arrest anyone they want for no reason in the city the protesters might be from.
I like having a President that allows me my Constitutional Freedoms while protesting for change so I can continue bringing the topic up until something happens.
You must be talking about protesters protesting Genocide then getting arrested for exercising those constitutional rights?
Trump would do the same. There is no choice in the presidential election you can make that will prevent genocide. Biden supports Israel. Trump supports Israel. Not voting means one will get in. Voting third party won’t do anything until we can get RCV, approval, or STAR voting to happen.
No, Trump will be far worse. If any of these people actually care about doing something that has any possibility whatsoever of preserving Palestinian lives, they would shut the fuck up and vote for Biden. Then they can spend four years grooming the next progressive candidates that they want to run and support them in the primary.
They want to sit out so they can tell everyone they’re better than them because they didn’t vote for the guy who’s not stopping genocide, when the reality is that their inaction could very well lead to another Trump presidency. Then we go from not stopping genocide, to becoming an active participant.
That’s why I think these people (well, the ones who are genuine, not all the astroturfers here that are concern trolling to get people to question their support for Biden) don’t actually care about Palestinian lives and are doing this more out of a personal desire to avoid guilt.
There are degree’s of response to genocide. If you think you Trump will have a harsher response towards Israel’s genocide than Biden, then you should definitely vote for Trump or not vote for Biden.
But make no mistake: not voting for Biden isn’t a condemnation of Biden’s response to the genocide, it’s an endorsement of how you think Trump will respond.
I dont give a fuck what Trump might do, he’s not the one allowing it to happen right now.
You’re so full of shit. Concern troll
Are you gonna give a fuck what Trump might do in 12 months?
When it comes to that I will be just as critical of Trump as I am Biden. Neither party gives a fuck about their constituents.
The United States has been committing genocides since before there was a United States. If you want something different you’re gonna have to move.
So just accept it because that’s what theyve always done?
I’m just saying: If you think a dozen people shouting at a president at a speech is gonna stop 250 years of history you’re ambitious.
One voice turns into a dozen voices which turns into two dozen voices which turns into thousands and millions of voices. This is what ended the Vietnam war
When Americans start fighting and dying in Gaza you may have a point
Our money and weapons made here, including illegal white phosphorus, is killing people. Biden needs to be pressured to stop.
Never in the forty plus years I have been alive, not all the history I have read, makes me believe most Americans care about that.
I’m on your side. The rest of the country isn’t.
Exactly, you’re right; this is exactly why we need to do everything we can to make sure Trump doesn’t win. Really good point.
Right now, that means voting for Joe Biden.
You vote for genocide, I’ll keep my conscience clear.
Guess we know how you’d justify the trolley problem lmao
And the option this fall, as a voter, is…what? Let little d win?
Yeah that’s what these people want. They are concern trolling in order to get other people to second guess their support for Biden. They could not care less about Palestinian lives. If they did, they wouldn’t be doing everything in their power to get Trump elected.
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So do you have any constructive paths forward?