If this is the route one takes, it important to remember that not everyone succeeds in finding their dream job. Hanging around the city for a decade trying to find your career is a waist of resources.
And in most cases, you need to be in the city to apply for those jobs
“Modeling” maybe, but normal jobs can receive your CV via email.
social connections that can help you find jobs
I can understand this, however, these days you can make very real and career “advancing” connections anywhere(even online 😱)
or to be where the good schools are.
This here is the real problem. All schools should be good. But that’s a discussion for another time.
Once you leave the city to go get a medium-paying job in a low cost of living area it makes it that much harder to eventually find the career a person wants.
If you don’t have a career plan in mind, what are you doing in the city?
If you know what you want to do, find a job in that field which can “fatten up” your CV.
it’s impossible to live in a city on an entry level wage.
It shouldn’t be possible to live in the city on an entry level wage. Only “get by”.
City’s are expensive AF, everything there is.
Maybe I’m just talking out my ass.
I never liked big cities and always preferred my hometown.
Thanks for the well thought out reply, I’m gonna touch on a couple of your points:
I can understand this, however, these days you can make very real and career “advancing” connections anywhere(even online 😱)
That’s often not true. Most jobs in my industry specify the maximum distance you can live from the office, and there isn’t an official rule hiring managers would still usually hire the guy with an address in the same location instead of having to wait for them to relocate and all that. It might be unique to public jobs, but in my world hiring candidates from a different location requires you to foot the bill to relocate them, something that usually isn’t possible unless they’re some specialist.
Also anecdotally, when I lived with my parents in a small town ~7 years ago I didn’t get any bites applying for jobs in cities.
If you don’t have a career plan in mind, what are you doing in the city?
If you know what you want to do, find a job in that field which can “fatten up” your CV.
My only career plan was “intellectually simulating office work”, I got there eventually, but it involved scraping by in the city working odd jobs for about 3 years, plus an 8 month graduate certificate program.
I lived with roommates, and got really good at cooking with dry beans and grains, and has a modest amount of support from my family, but I eventually found a job I love.
And I got the interview through a connection I made at a in-person meetup group.
I know how hard it was for me ~5 years ago and I had some help from my family.
Rents are higher now, not sure I could do it with today’s prices, definitely not without a bit of help from the bank of mom and dad. People who don’t have that are screwed unless they get very lucky and find a good job right out of school.
Most jobs in my industry specify the maximum distance you can live from the office
I dont know what indestry you are in, but hiyering for “instant start” is really strange.
Unless the indestry is flooded at the moment.
We are talking about the begining of a career(aka young). Relocation issnt so complex at that time.
Also anecdotally, when I lived with my parents in a small town ~7 years ago I didn’t get any bites applying for jobs in cities.
When i wasin this situation ~12 years ago 🥲 i was sending out like 40 cv’s per day for like 6 months till I landed my first job.
All the while taking on odd jobs and projects to advance my knowlede in that field.
If its an option, staying at home for a while is a wise financial move IMO.
My only career plan was “intellectually simulating office work”
But you did have a plan. I am sure you were aware its not a guarantee that youll succeed.
You took a gamble and worked hard to make it a win.
And I got the interview through a connection I made at a in-person meetup group.
Meetup like the website? I really liked it back in the day.
you could have attended without living in the city
Rents are higher now, not sure I could do it with today’s prices, definitely not without a bit of help from the bank of mom and dad. People who don’t have that are screwed unless they get very lucky and find a good job right out of school.
I know what you mean. Its hard and getting harder. I hope ill be able to help my kids when their time comes.
At the end of the day, its not a good situation we are at, but it doesnt seem to be getting better.
We are more people on this planet who want more and do more and all that adds up.
P.s. I am happy you love your job. Its always nice to hear.
Quick trip down the consequences of “servers should not expect to be able to live in a city”, as is your implied thesis.
How many jobs exist in a city that are in this category? That is to say lower paying. Servers, sanitation people of assorted kind, transport, teachers, etc. How do you expect a city to function without them? People with low wages are also the people that may struggle to afford a commute.
This idea is very “having your cake and eating it too”. A city needs to accommodate lower wage individuals or it will crumble. This neglects the expected basic living conditions for any given person.
Im sorry, by “servers” I was talking about waiters or odd temp jobs. This does not includ pubilc service workers of any kind. Even more so, I woild say that public service workers should be paid more and/or get city-tax breaks.
Talking about cakes and eating, as city life will be more affordabl more people will come live there bringing up competition and price.
If you want to limit rent, then youre reducing incentive for investments and developments in the city.
Oh no. I mean waiters too. You want that nice restaurant? It’s gotta have staff. Gas stations and corner stores? Need staff. Every shop you go in needs staff and they aren’t going to be paid decent wages generally. Why are temp workers being excluded from being allowed in a city? Plenty of places need people on a temporary basis and plenty of people need such work.
Your second point ignores the problem I’m pointing out. Rent must be limited in some way so that all the people the city runs on can live and work there. Given the gratuitous mass of people in a city, the incentive for investment and development will always be there. I’ll need a citation for the idea that an affordable city doesn’t get money from such things. That argument reeks of “greed justifying why it’s OK to have impractical and inhumane conditions”. There are more metrics than money.
If this is the route one takes, it important to remember that not everyone succeeds in finding their dream job. Hanging around the city for a decade trying to find your career is a waist of resources.
“Modeling” maybe, but normal jobs can receive your CV via email.
I can understand this, however, these days you can make very real and career “advancing” connections anywhere(even online 😱)
This here is the real problem. All schools should be good. But that’s a discussion for another time.
If you don’t have a career plan in mind, what are you doing in the city? If you know what you want to do, find a job in that field which can “fatten up” your CV.
It shouldn’t be possible to live in the city on an entry level wage. Only “get by”. City’s are expensive AF, everything there is.
Maybe I’m just talking out my ass. I never liked big cities and always preferred my hometown.
Thanks for the well thought out reply, I’m gonna touch on a couple of your points:
That’s often not true. Most jobs in my industry specify the maximum distance you can live from the office, and there isn’t an official rule hiring managers would still usually hire the guy with an address in the same location instead of having to wait for them to relocate and all that. It might be unique to public jobs, but in my world hiring candidates from a different location requires you to foot the bill to relocate them, something that usually isn’t possible unless they’re some specialist.
Also anecdotally, when I lived with my parents in a small town ~7 years ago I didn’t get any bites applying for jobs in cities.
My only career plan was “intellectually simulating office work”, I got there eventually, but it involved scraping by in the city working odd jobs for about 3 years, plus an 8 month graduate certificate program.
I lived with roommates, and got really good at cooking with dry beans and grains, and has a modest amount of support from my family, but I eventually found a job I love.
And I got the interview through a connection I made at a in-person meetup group.
I know how hard it was for me ~5 years ago and I had some help from my family.
Rents are higher now, not sure I could do it with today’s prices, definitely not without a bit of help from the bank of mom and dad. People who don’t have that are screwed unless they get very lucky and find a good job right out of school.
I dont know what indestry you are in, but hiyering for “instant start” is really strange. Unless the indestry is flooded at the moment. We are talking about the begining of a career(aka young). Relocation issnt so complex at that time.
When i wasin this situation ~12 years ago 🥲 i was sending out like 40 cv’s per day for like 6 months till I landed my first job. All the while taking on odd jobs and projects to advance my knowlede in that field. If its an option, staying at home for a while is a wise financial move IMO.
But you did have a plan. I am sure you were aware its not a guarantee that youll succeed. You took a gamble and worked hard to make it a win.
Meetup like the website? I really liked it back in the day. you could have attended without living in the city
I know what you mean. Its hard and getting harder. I hope ill be able to help my kids when their time comes.
At the end of the day, its not a good situation we are at, but it doesnt seem to be getting better. We are more people on this planet who want more and do more and all that adds up.
P.s. I am happy you love your job. Its always nice to hear.
Quick trip down the consequences of “servers should not expect to be able to live in a city”, as is your implied thesis.
How many jobs exist in a city that are in this category? That is to say lower paying. Servers, sanitation people of assorted kind, transport, teachers, etc. How do you expect a city to function without them? People with low wages are also the people that may struggle to afford a commute.
This idea is very “having your cake and eating it too”. A city needs to accommodate lower wage individuals or it will crumble. This neglects the expected basic living conditions for any given person.
Im sorry, by “servers” I was talking about waiters or odd temp jobs. This does not includ pubilc service workers of any kind. Even more so, I woild say that public service workers should be paid more and/or get city-tax breaks.
Talking about cakes and eating, as city life will be more affordabl more people will come live there bringing up competition and price. If you want to limit rent, then youre reducing incentive for investments and developments in the city.
Oh no. I mean waiters too. You want that nice restaurant? It’s gotta have staff. Gas stations and corner stores? Need staff. Every shop you go in needs staff and they aren’t going to be paid decent wages generally. Why are temp workers being excluded from being allowed in a city? Plenty of places need people on a temporary basis and plenty of people need such work.
Your second point ignores the problem I’m pointing out. Rent must be limited in some way so that all the people the city runs on can live and work there. Given the gratuitous mass of people in a city, the incentive for investment and development will always be there. I’ll need a citation for the idea that an affordable city doesn’t get money from such things. That argument reeks of “greed justifying why it’s OK to have impractical and inhumane conditions”. There are more metrics than money.