No but see if I’m a big brain I don’t vote and then the fascist is elected and I can tell everyone how smart I am for not voting for the guy that wasn’t a fascist while we are on the train to the death camps.
This is the correct take, unfortunately. I think we should all strive for harm reduction and voting Republican is voting in a fascist and they clearly will commit a genocide. But this doesn’t mean we can make things better if we vote blue.
The power we have to change the state of affairs is to vote down ballot. Vote in progressive individuals (if not actual socialists) in lower elections. I was able to do that two years ago for my city, ane I assisted in canvassing and more, and we now all feel an immediate impact. Another example of voting blue is Michigan (or Minnesota?) who has a blue gov, house, and senate and they enshrined so many rights. There is benefit in voting blue. I digress a bit though.
After voting down ballot and creating the infrastructure for more progressive and socialist ideas, then we move towards the democratic primaries. I know we didn’t hold any this time, and it’s a huge fucking problem, but if we set the foundation we will be able to set the stage for more progressive candidates, plus the primaries is where Dems go further left. Look at what happened when Bernie entered the race. His positions were so popular and people so fervent about them that even Biden supports them (to an extent). It moves the party over to the left.
So yeah, “Vote Blue No Matter Who” sucks ass. I wish we had more options. I wish our system didn’t suck. But we need to make sure we have future elections. I am a bit on the older end, and I see a lot of pessimism and cynism in the younger generation. Well don’t worry. I will do the work now and pave a path for y’all who are hopeless. We will become more progress and socialistic. We stand on the burdens and bittersweet victories of our working class predecessors. They died for worker rights. They died for women’s rights and suffrage. We are actually moving forward but slowly.
Remember, democracy is the exception and not then norm. A majority of countries are fascistic. And we are an actual beacon and great example and I do believe we will make it out of this mess in a decent position.
The people just get to take part in an electoral circus every few years to pretend like they have a choice. Also keeps the working class divided among two parties and decreases the chances of a revolution for a better system; thus protecting the capitalist ruling class.
Not voting and/or encouraging others not to vote is licking those very boots. Maybe you don’t have much influence, but that doesn’t mean it’s a mature take to completely abdicate whatever influence you have.
Nothing like the good ole “vote for my guy or else” messaging every 4 years to really drive up voter turnout for first time voters and disenfranchised/marginalized communities.
This is exactly how they want you to think. It’s disempowering. It’s a kind of fatalistic politics of inevitability that keeps the masses docile and resigned.
What keeps the working class docile and resigned is making them think their bourgeois “democracy” isn’t rigged against them in the first place.
Once someone understands that, they can develop class consciousness and organize to eventually to forcibly change the system to a better one; that has always been the most successful way people have changed their nations for the better.
Today I opened the fridge and two options presented to me was a piece of moldy bread and leftovers that I didn’t particularly fancy. I decided that the only logical option would be to punch myself in the nuts as hard as I can. I will not do anything esle and tomorrow I will open the fridge again hoping something will miraculously change.
Your logical option would’ve been to prepare to go out and buy something else. i.e join a leftist org with the goal of increasing the movement to eventually overthrow the current fucked up system like many nations have done (see below) and try to convince your friends and family to do the same.
And if you’re comparing funding an ongoing genocide with leftovers… Idk what to tell you tbh
This is what we were told in 2020. If this remains the only option then democracy is already lost since you can only vote for two genocidal maniacs instead one.
The problem is you chuds don’t start caring until election year. If you don’t want to be stuck with the “better of two bad options” as your choices, get involved earlier in the process at the stages where picking the candidates and positions actually happens. If you’re bitching about choices in the general election and yet you weren’t part of the primary season, then you’re complicit with the problem. Change takes effort, on our part. If we give a shit, we have to be willing to do a little bit of work, and that work starts long before you walk into a polling booth in November.
Yeah but watch the new gen still come along and whine ‘why are all the candidates old? Why cant you pick anyone else??’ while they slept through the nominations and complain how everything happens TO them.
So you just realized now it’s bipartisan? You just started learning about American politics today?
The other poster is right. It’s not like there’s not a lot of candidates within the two parties early on to start voting on. Waiting to kick open your car door on election day is too late. And that’s on you.
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No but see if I’m a big brain I don’t vote and then the fascist is elected and I can tell everyone how smart I am for not voting for the guy that wasn’t a fascist while we are on the train to the death camps.
Damn why didn’t I think of that
Now? This has been the way for many decades.
Welcome to the bipartitisan system.
The problem is when the other side is also being told the other guy is destroying democracy.
Yes but the mere fact that two opposing statements exist does not mean those statements are of equal veracity.
And since they aren’t, we can fight against the false messaging.
Does it suck? Is it a bunch of bullshit work we shouldn’t have to do? Yes, definitely. But truth can conquer lie in ways lie can never conquer truth.
This is the correct take, unfortunately. I think we should all strive for harm reduction and voting Republican is voting in a fascist and they clearly will commit a genocide. But this doesn’t mean we can make things better if we vote blue.
The power we have to change the state of affairs is to vote down ballot. Vote in progressive individuals (if not actual socialists) in lower elections. I was able to do that two years ago for my city, ane I assisted in canvassing and more, and we now all feel an immediate impact. Another example of voting blue is Michigan (or Minnesota?) who has a blue gov, house, and senate and they enshrined so many rights. There is benefit in voting blue. I digress a bit though.
After voting down ballot and creating the infrastructure for more progressive and socialist ideas, then we move towards the democratic primaries. I know we didn’t hold any this time, and it’s a huge fucking problem, but if we set the foundation we will be able to set the stage for more progressive candidates, plus the primaries is where Dems go further left. Look at what happened when Bernie entered the race. His positions were so popular and people so fervent about them that even Biden supports them (to an extent). It moves the party over to the left.
So yeah, “Vote Blue No Matter Who” sucks ass. I wish we had more options. I wish our system didn’t suck. But we need to make sure we have future elections. I am a bit on the older end, and I see a lot of pessimism and cynism in the younger generation. Well don’t worry. I will do the work now and pave a path for y’all who are hopeless. We will become more progress and socialistic. We stand on the burdens and bittersweet victories of our working class predecessors. They died for worker rights. They died for women’s rights and suffrage. We are actually moving forward but slowly.
Remember, democracy is the exception and not then norm. A majority of countries are fascistic. And we are an actual beacon and great example and I do believe we will make it out of this mess in a decent position.
Suggesting that bourgeois “democracy” is democratic in the first place lmao. The only ones who have a say in how this poorly veiled oligarchy is run are the ruling class of capitalists. That’s what this system was designed to do in the first place after all.
The people just get to take part in an electoral circus every few years to pretend like they have a choice. Also keeps the working class divided among two parties and decreases the chances of a revolution for a better system; thus protecting the capitalist ruling class.
Not voting and/or encouraging others not to vote is licking those very boots. Maybe you don’t have much influence, but that doesn’t mean it’s a mature take to completely abdicate whatever influence you have.
Nothing like the good ole “vote for my guy or else” messaging every 4 years to really drive up voter turnout for first time voters and disenfranchised/marginalized communities.
This is exactly how they want you to think. It’s disempowering. It’s a kind of fatalistic politics of inevitability that keeps the masses docile and resigned.
What keeps the working class docile and resigned is making them think their bourgeois “democracy” isn’t rigged against them in the first place.
Once someone understands that, they can develop class consciousness and organize to eventually to forcibly change the system to a better one; that has always been the most successful way people have changed their nations for the better.
Today I opened the fridge and two options presented to me was a piece of moldy bread and leftovers that I didn’t particularly fancy. I decided that the only logical option would be to punch myself in the nuts as hard as I can. I will not do anything esle and tomorrow I will open the fridge again hoping something will miraculously change.
Your logical option would’ve been to prepare to go out and buy something else. i.e join a leftist org with the goal of increasing the movement to eventually overthrow the current fucked up system like many nations have done (see below) and try to convince your friends and family to do the same.
And if you’re comparing funding an ongoing genocide with leftovers… Idk what to tell you tbh
This is what we were told in 2020. If this remains the only option then democracy is already lost since you can only vote for two genocidal maniacs instead one.
The problem is you chuds don’t start caring until election year. If you don’t want to be stuck with the “better of two bad options” as your choices, get involved earlier in the process at the stages where picking the candidates and positions actually happens. If you’re bitching about choices in the general election and yet you weren’t part of the primary season, then you’re complicit with the problem. Change takes effort, on our part. If we give a shit, we have to be willing to do a little bit of work, and that work starts long before you walk into a polling booth in November.
OMG THIS. So much this! Well said!
Yeah but watch the new gen still come along and whine ‘why are all the candidates old? Why cant you pick anyone else??’ while they slept through the nominations and complain how everything happens TO them.
So you just realized now it’s bipartisan? You just started learning about American politics today?
The other poster is right. It’s not like there’s not a lot of candidates within the two parties early on to start voting on. Waiting to kick open your car door on election day is too late. And that’s on you.
Bernie was the only shot. That ship has sailed. DNC have shown to be in full control and will never release their iron grip on the two party system.
I’m not quite sure how you all have any hope left after Bernie put his entire life into trying to do it the way you’re suggesting.
You are clearly lost on tracking what conversations you’re posting to.