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Reposting this from Qasim Rashid, esq. on Mastodon.
(I do know this is discoverable from Mastodon but heck consider it a boost).
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Seeing people suggesting that rescue efforts encourage more people to take the risk of crossing. Not true if you look at the data.
these results strongly suggest that…the absence of SAR operations…has little or no effect on the number of arrivals
the risk of crossing
This is the crucial part - there wouldn’t (and shouldn’t) be no risk in the first place. People should be allowed to just board a boat, or a flight, or a bus, towards the EU, and apply for asylum at the port/airport/border checkpoint.
That’s literally the idea of the Geneva convention for refugees. However, our stupid xenophobic politicians came up with a law that expressly kills this process.
Because when someone applies for asylum, obviously someone must check if this person deserves asylum in the first place. Are they a refugee according to the Geneva convention? Are they a threatened minority in their home country? Etc.
This takes time, and during that time, the person needs to live somewhere. Well, and our wonderful EU law states that the transporting party (i.e. the cruise line/airline/bus company) needs to house and feed the people until they were processed. And if the people don’t qualify for asylum, the transporting party is also responsible for transporting them back.
And this is why refugees can’t take a “normal” flight, boat cruise, or bus trip - the travel companies won’t accept them on board.
It’s a bit more nuanced than that, she’s accused of cooperating with smugglers to stage fake rescue operations, but the suit is still ongoing and I’m not sure if it’s legit or not. From what I’ve seen she seems to be a good person so the suit is possibly bogus.
It’s a bit more nuanced
That is not more nuanced those are plain facts. OP is plainly lying.
She is accused and jailed for voluntarily being a part of a smuggling operation, even when she was explicitly told not to do so by the Italian government.
Compared to completely normal rescue efforts when a boat or plane capsize, when workers are trapped in a mine, when someone is lost in the mountains, or when a bunch of nobodies are taken hostage by a criminal organisation, be it local or abroad.
Again, this is not nuance, those are commonly known facts that OP is lying about.
No, it’s nuanced. People smuggling worked like this… They would call her (and/or other NGO) and say “we just dropped x people in the sea at these coordinated, bye!”. She would go and pick them up (she would not make any money out of this).
What the xenophobic party that was (and kinda is) in power wanted is to her ignore the heads up and let people die in the sea. Because all that party promised to his (debatable) electors is more death in the sea (to scare the other migrants).
Also all this is polical because the vast majority of illegal immigration is through Balkans anyway
They would call her (and/or other NGO) and say “we just dropped x people in the sea at these coordinated, bye!”. She would go and pick them up (she would not make any money out of this).
The crucial part about that: Captains at sea are required by law to save people or assist vessels that are about to capsize. If she ignored such a call (as the Italian government tells her to), she’d commit a crime. She’d also be liable and could be sued by the survivors or the relatives of the deceased.
She literally did what the law forces her to do, and what the Italian coast guard should be doing but isn’t.
Ah and I’m sure you have a source for these “facts” and I’m sure they will stand up in court. It’s not like the Italian government would just bring unsustainable allegations for political reasons.
Only rich people matter.
Poor people aren’t human and therefore don’t deserve rights or help.
As I grow older and looked more closely at how stuff work in society, I am disappointed, that in many places it does work exactly like this.
sure, in developed countries many “normal” peoel also have many rights, but that’ll end quickly if you seriously try to mess with the establishes power structures
I’d argue it’s actually “most places” rather than “many”. It’s not so obvious in day-to-day life but like if I had to take an ambulance tonight, me and my estate would be on the hook for the bill, but a billionaire would not be.
Poor people aren’t human and therefore don’t deserve rights or help
Incorrect. Poor people are replaceable with other poor people and eventually with robots. The fact that poor people aren’t doing anything today about any of this means that there will come a day where the 1% makes up around 50% of the still living global population.
When we invented the car, horses didn’t go get better jobs we just started having fewer horses.
pia klemp is on my short list of heroes and deserves every honor she will accept. any government that tries to impede her should be treated with contempt
Sorry but who is Pia Klemp?
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Is it too late to add the link?
https://mastodon.social/users/QasimRashid/statuses/110589556149485451
I’ll say it: it’s time for major ocean reform. we can’t keep letting the ocean take our people without consequence.
This is from 2019: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/06/12/captain-rescue-boat-faces-20-years-jail-convicted-illegally/
Apparently italy has been harassing this specific captian since at least 2017: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-italy-ngo/italy-seizes-ngo-rescue-boat-for-allegedly-aiding-illegal-migration-idUSKBN1AI21B, and apparently the italian government has been going against multiple rescue boats
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Thank you for doing that! I was not clever enough.
The NGOs in this case work with the people smugglers.
The “migrant rescue efforts” cause more people to take the risk. This results in more deaths and illegal crossings from people listening to people smugglers.
Why do you believe this? It’s never been evidenced. Read the section “CRIMINALIZATION OF SEA RESCUE NGOS: A SMEAR CAMPAIGN” in this.
People who claim that don’t mean literally work with smugglers. They mean, that efforts to save refugees encourages fleeing.
That’s about as logical as claiming ambulances are working with drug dealers when they try to save someone ODing.
It is illogical, not to mention callous. And yet the exaggerated rhetoric persists and whips up negative sentiment towards literal life savers from braindead segments of the far right.
They’re wrong about encouraging fleeing too (as if that even needed saying) as I’ve pointed out elsewhere on the thread.
Yepp. But feelings don’t care about facts
Your crazy if you don’t think people believe this when this is what there told on the news every da
