The Journal reported executives at SpaceX worried Elon Musk was on drugs after an “unhinged” all-hands meeting in which he slurred and rambled.
This is the way he’s always been and it’s only getting worse.
Employees have always had to manage him not the other way around; a perpetual petulant toddler banging his hands on the table; ruining everything he touches with his Reverse-Midas-Touch so they keep him at bay.
This is increasingly the characterization of so many rich and powerful people.
Soooo weird…
If you have money, then in the business world you have intrinsic value.
When you have enough, you reach the tipping point where it doesn’t just need to be the only thing you provide, but it outweighs others ways you hurt the business.
The less your ideas are useful and the more money you hoard, the faster it changes.
It can go quickly downhill when the CEOs wealth is tied to stock price.
And ends disastrously when they go somewhere that workers aren’t used to them. Because the CEO was never told they used to be babysat just for their money, they legit believe they’re a genius
You have to think who gets that wealthy and is like “Let’s go to work!” You have to be psychotic to have more wealth than you can ever spend and not go fuck off somewhere and enjoy it. I would never go back to a job even if I was running the place, I’d just do whatever I wanted to do for the rest of my life.
See, idk if I could do that the rest of my life. I’m dreading retirement, even though it’s a long way off, as I have no idea how I’ll handle it…
I could do maybe a month of nothing then I start getting antsy and depressed. Working gives structure to my life, and while I really hate getting up and going to it, it’s better for me than the alternative…even when I don’t have to worry about money.Yea, but would you pretend to be a business genius while in actuality being the world’s biggest spoiled dork? Like Tommy Boy but without the charisma and infinitely more needy for a positive reception. I think, even as delusional as I am, you and I would recognize we’d likely need a different role.
Musky boy gives us the Cyber Truck, and a dancing jackass in a leotard and helmet for a robot…
No, but I’m neither rich nor a narcissistic prick, just a regular asshole.
Always thought Musk was a piece of shit, glad my initial thought is being proven correct.
I feel you. On the other hand, you might find something different to pass/spend your time with. Maybe you return to your job. Maybe you start a new company, maybe you start to do arts and crafts, or…
I feel you. On the other hand, you might find something different to pass/spend your time with. Maybe you return to your job. Maybe you start a new company, maybe you start to do arts and crafts, or…
Get some hobbies.
Like building things? Have a workshop that you go to to keep routine and build things for fun.
Yeah, I’m a Stone Mason. Guess I could make faerie castles out of pebbles…
That’s a pretty sad revelation. We’ve been so beaten down that we can’t imagine being happy pursuing whatever we’d like to do day after day without “creating value.”
And we only get this one go at life. One life to live and we’ve been so sapped of the entire concept of “living” that work is our life. How sad that is.
It just seems crazy. I don’t know, it just feels so wrong to hear people think this way.
Ehhhh. I’m a Stone Mason working in conservation, my job is really satisfying and rewarding. I enjoy my work generally, and passing on the skills to the next generation is an extra bonus feel good. I wish I was able to structure my own life enough to not want to go to work if I was independently wealthy, but currently struggling with possibly adhd or autism spectrum stuff, and while I would love to be able to work on stuff for myself I need external structure…
Yes, I know that last sentence was a bit fucky, I’m in bed and lazy, not changing it.
Generations of inbreeding will do that to you.
Birds of a feather got to stick together.
And yet yall make it sound like a bad thing
We call it the Mierdas Touch.
Phony Stark and his Mierdas Touch. nice
I enjoy it, but I prefer calling him Terrence Howard because he’s a fake iron man who is going to be replaced.
Mr. “If one times one equals one that means that two is of no value because one times itself has no effect. One times one equals two because the square root of four is two, so what’s the square root of two? Should be one, but we’re told it’s two, and that cannot be.” Terryology Howard?
Refuting thousands of years of knowledge and science and saying we’ve, ‘been doing math wrong this whole time’ takes a whole nutter level of nutter.
See? He and Elon need to get together and compare science notes. Imagine the new Tesla/SpaceX Cyber Rocket Truck those two could come up with together!
At SpaceX, where illicit drug use could jeopardize the billions of dollars of government contracts enjoyed by the defense contractor due to federal regulations, The Journal’s reports of Musk’s drug use put at risk nearly $1 trillion in assets held by investors, about 13,000 jobs, and the future of the US space program.
And I thought Twitter was going to be his biggest fuck up.
And of course, businessinsider doesn’t blame the rich guy… they blame the ‘snitch’
Did we read the same article? Can you point out where you think they’re “blaming the snitch?”
They actually are referencing a different article, this one I believe :
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-tesla-ceo-denies-drug-use-allegations-2024-1
Elon be like: Fuck them.
Fuck Them! They can’t blackmail me to stop taking drugs!
—Musk, probably
More like “me” if he really loses money because of some of his actions
Really though, what’s the point of having “fuck you” money if you don’t tell people “I don’t care. Fuck you” every once in a while? (Or… daily)
I always thought of “fuck you” money as a statement being made up the chain. Saying “fuck you” to all the employees below him is not cool.
I don’t think Twitter was a fuck up. It’s likely he had $20B or something insane in cap gains (maybe from selling Tesla shares or other investments).
He took Twitter private sold it on paper to same private shareholders, now can claim $17B or whatever it is in losses. Now he pays nothing in taxes, has one of the largest Internet mouthpieces he can use to sway elections, etc. The only people who took losses are banks he used to swing purchase and the twitter landlord he is refusing to pay.
Musk tried everything possible not to buy twitter, and now it’s worth 20bn less.
I wouldn’t call a planned success.
with one executive describing the event to the outlet as “nonsensical,” “unhinged” and “cringeworthy.”
This is different from normal?
Also:
SpaceX also began cracking down on illegal substances at the company by bringing in drug-sniffing dogs, sources told The Journal.
How much do you want to bet those dogs are never allowed up in the executive suites?
What kind of company has such a bad drug problem that they need to bring in dogs to find it? Absolutely ridiculous.
I’d probably be shooting up junk too if my boss was Elon Musk.
In normal corporate environments I’ve seen people abuse everything from codeine headache tablets to crystal meth.
Not defending Edolf Twitler, I’m just saying it’s not unusual for these environments to be so toxic that people look for ways to manage.
I don’t find the drug use abnormal so much as them bringing in drug sniffing dogs to catch it rather than dealing with it on an individual basis.
It’s always projection.
Elon takes care of all the drug sniffing in there personally. No need for dogs.
Guys let’s not make taking drugs look even worse by association it with that guy
Drugs are the innocent bystander here.
I don’t know, this might make a few kids skip taking drugs. Maybe his cringeworthyness is finally doing something good.
… Musk’s drug use, which includes LSD, cocaine, ecstasy, and ketamine, …
Explains…soooo much. Still an asshole, though.
Yea… You kinda’ have to be a real piece of shit to be on that many drugs and still be an asshole. Good ol’ musky.
Sounds like the man is really bored with his life and all he has left are drugs to keep him entertained
I mean, with that kinda dough, you kinda run out of normal things to do.
Drugs are probably the most normal thing he does.
Which is why dumbasses pay millions to go see the wreck of the titanic and have pedo orgies in private islands.
Yeah, and sure he can pass a drug test if you consider:
LSD: 12 hour wash-out time for a blood test
Cocaine: 24 hour wash-out time for a blood test
MDMA: 24-36 hour wash-out time for a blood test
Ketamine: 24 hour wash-out time for a blood test, and it’s easy to get a prescription for off-label use to treat depressionSo basically, do all the drugs you want Friday night, by Monday morning you’ll be clean enough for a blood test.
You think musk worried about drug tests? Interesting.
What are they gonna do? Fire him?
Isn’t that a queens of the stone age song
It doesn’t explain why I can sense an OD on him soon
Only if you got into his stash of lsd again,
It’s news sure but is anyone thinking it’s groundbreaking news that Elon musk might be on drugs most of the time?
This is the first I’ve heard of it actually.
He was on Rogan smoking a joint. Not that weed is a particularly harmful drug but I bet you would catch 0 other CEOs doing it so brazenly.
I mean he had a half a puff of a joint. Not that alcohol is a particularly harmful drug but I’m sure plenty of CEOs enjoy a beer from time to time without becoming full blown drug addicts.
Only one of those is physically addictive, and the withdrawal can kill ya.
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100% an upper or “microdosing” on a hallucinogen. Just a nibble of psilocybin every day before impregnating a secretary and after bed.
This is entirely unrelated, aside from the stupidity of the subject, but I’m reminded of that fella who repeatedly injected mushrooms to try to get high. He sterilized the mushrooms by boiling, then blended, loaded into a hypo, and slowly plunged the mixture into his arm. He ended up with a complete systemic fungal infection but survived. I wish Musk would get creative with it.
Nightmare fuel, or back story for a superhero… idk.
What does his glabella have to do with anything?
Wait, you’re telling me he’s not on drugs 24/7?
The guy was a decent salesman, heavilly empowered by daddy’s money and connections, who had a bit of luck, even though he only had one kind of salesmanship technique - the Techbro Brew: heavy on selling “high-tech” and “innovation” as inherently good and always trumphing other considerations - and kept walking the grey legal area between lies, exageration and Fraud.
However he seems to have started believing his own schtick that he’s a special golden boy whose farts smell of roses, and here we are now.
So chatgpt doesn’t know what a fart is?
As a large language model I cannot weaponize bodily emissions in order to diminish others.
The #2 law
I will admit, him being on drugs did not occur to me as a possible explanation for his ‘taking tesla private’ tweet that torpeedoed his networth, but having been confronted by it now I am having a hard time not believing it.
Musk’s drug use, which includes LSD, cocaine, ecstasy, and ketamine, according to people familiar with the matter, is at the center of an extensive new report from The Journal that details how executives at several of the billionaire’s companies have struggled to manage his substance use and erratic behavior.
Just FYI
According to people familiar with the matter
Means “We have no source for this and are probably making it up”
Business Insider is a tabloid shitrag these days
Just FYI, “according to people familiar with the matter” generally means people who are speaking on background and asked to have their identifies protected. I guarantee you that the reporters and their editor(s) know the people involved and have good reason to believe they’re familiar with the situation and are reliable sources of information.
Were it a respectable publication I’d agree, but Business Insider has gone rapidly downhill the last couple of years, and is now Daily-Mail-Level tripe
So is the Wall Street Journal also “Daily Mail level tripe”? Because they are the Business Insider’s source for the story.
SO POST THAT THEN AND STOP GIVING BUSINESS INSHITER CLICKS 😂
Did you just miss the reply to you where I said point blank I linked to BI instead of WSJ because of a paywall, or naw?
OP already said they did that to avoid the paywall.
Attacks the source. Then attacks the publication. Then complains further despite that this publication link is just to avoid linking the original paywalled article (from a publication you apparently trust) wherein the same sources provide the same info.
You could have just downvoted and moved along, but instead gestures all around thread.
This is based on a Wall Street Journal report (which I didn’t link because it’s paywalled), so your strange anger at BI is a wee bit misplaced.
Dude is hanging out in a dedicated misogyny porn community.
10 to 1 a MuskRat and just angry his man is being talked about badly.
“Hey there nice post. Unfortunately, here is some bullshit I dug up from your comment history which clearly demonstrates that you are unworthy of expressing your opinion”
Not defending that guy, just really wish this type of behavior would just die along with the rest of r*ddit already. Something something ad hominem falacy
No. Media bullshit is sitting at the core of a lot of today’s problems and the massive polarisation on basically any topic.
Anger at low level journalism rags and even more at outlets trying to look respectable while actually having a similiar quality (and that definitely includes Business Insider ever since they were bought by the shithole of journalism that is Axel Springer SE) cannot be misplaced at all.
And? Its only a crime when regular people do it, for rich people its just ‘eccentric’
Until it starts hurting the other rich people- the investors. Eventually, Musk’s erratic behavior will have to be dealt with. He will never be anything but a multibillionaire, but he may not be CEO of his companies much longer at this rate.
Imagine the power trip that comes from being Elon Musk’s Dealer.
His dealer likely doesn’t even know it’s going to Musk.
Yeah, the buyer always securely disguises himself as Melon Usk
I heard some of the really wealthy Silicon Valley types kit out their own private laboratory and hire chemists.
I heard aliens are real. That doesn’t exactly make it true. I doubt anyone with half a brain would have a full blown narcotics lab. At least, I’ve never heard of such a thing.
I don’t know… Some of us common folk put a lot of what money we have into little hobby pot farms and greenhouses. If a billionaire just keeps throwing money at it, they can have a pretty nice setup of whatever drug manufacturing they want.
You’re right, though. Never heard of it, but I won’t be surprised if we ever do.
Small batch boutique narcotics are a market just waiting to be milked in Silicon Valley.
The purest of pure cocaine,…charge 10x the price of the best on the street.
Any and all RC’s you’d ever want at your fingertips, etc etc.
It’s just far too lucrative to think nobody is doing it.
Esp when you consider that most street drugs are laced with fentanyl/carfentanil.
That almost guarantees the rich and famous have their own supply line.
Esp when you consider that most street drugs are laced with fentanyl/carfentanil.
I’ve been wondering how this could make sense as I’ve seen it claimed more and more often (feels very similar to the original war on drugs hysteria of the 80s and 90s), and I admit I haven’t looked too deeply, but it seems this is once again something being overblown due to the war on drugs.
**But according to experts, nationwide drug studies, and the DEA’s own data, fentanyl contamination in non-opioid drug supplies is exceedingly rare, and largely centered on a specific, highly-vulnerable subset of users. **Critics say this is why the alarm raised by health officials and law enforcement is so concerning: Authorities stoking broad, misleading fears of fentanyl poisoning the non-opioid drug supply marks a damaging mission creep in the battle to stem the opioid crisis. As we’ve seen previously in the War on Drugs, narratives based on fear, not data, distract policy makers, public health advocates, and even first responders away from those who are at real risk.
There is lots more info on the article linked, I just cherrypicked these two summary statements.
So why the misleading claims about recreational coke and cannabis users being at such a high risk?
On one hand, public health officials are doing what they’re meant to do: warn the public about health risks. On the other, the scale of the concern around fentanyl contaminating the entire US drug supply is a very familiar narrative in the War on Drugs: the belief that dealers are governed not by economics but by malice, that users are helpless addicts, and that drug eradication is the only solution to these problems.
There’s far more detail in the article.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/8xyzkp/the-truth-about-drug-dealers-lacing-cocaine-with-fentanyl
Obviously, you aren’t around drugs/drug users that often. Fent definitely is a real issue. A lot of my drug using friends(that are still alive) have conspiracies about why its in everything thats “not natural”(weed/shrooms/etc) for lack of better term… But it has started to show up in everything the last decade. Uppers/downers/psychs. Shits ridiculous
But for anyone dabbling… Test strips are cheap. Use them. Mix the shit up good and test, even if you gotta break down the rock. Your friends and family dont want to find you dead covered in your own shit, piss and puke cause you were to lazy and cheap to test the shit.
Who needs repeat business? Just twirl your mustache at your dead clientele.
in non-opioid drug supplies
That’s the qualifier. I have no idea why anyone would think marijuana would be contaminated with fentanyl.
Especially when there are (semi-) legalized dispensaries that have to go through certified laboratories. Hey, maybe that’s the solution.
John McAfee did.
Yeah but he was trying to make a new super meth Viagra to fuel his week long orgies, he’s not really a typical case
That’s totally what I’d do.
Hasn’t he been relatively open about his habitual micro and macro dosing of ketamine?
There’s a world of difference between a micro and a macro dose. You don’t want to be anywhere near work with the latter.
The difference being, with one you get a light, pleasant, happy, drunk adjacent feeling. With the other, you’re sitting on the ground staring into the infinite void of nothingness, head lolled to one side, while your friends dab the back of your neck with a cool towel, hoping you don’t puke and asphyxiate on it.
I’d argue that once you are feeling effects of the drug, you are no longer micro dosing.
Micro dosing started out as a way to describe the maximum amount of substance you could take without feeling primary effects.
Slightly Fuzzy but not stoned is my go-to with dosing.
It’d be surprising if he could even manage talking with the latter.
That’s what the uppers are for.
A micro dose of those, a macro dose of that, a pinch of meth a day keeps the voices away
Doesn’t he slur and ramble most of the time? I have never heard him make a sentence without stuttering.
Which means this must’ve been really bad for it to stand out so much.
If you watch the recent hour long interview where he told advertisers to fuck off, something seemed off about how he was talking then as well. I’ve watched my fair share of interviews and what not with him and even I thought something was up there.
Not saying it’s drugs, but something is going on with him
Edit: late edit after watching the all hands in question. This didn’t seem unusual for Elon and I didn’t get the same weird vibes I got during the interview I mentioned above. They did cut off the Q&A though so maybe something happened in that. Also the whole thing seemed unneeded. More of a public facing thing for people/media and not an all hands.
It think that he is slowly realizing the change in public perception of him and as a narcissist it’s getting to him. This could also explain the drug use too.
Yeah, I’ve heard a psychologist say he’s showing clear signs of social media addiction (which is a pretty interesting/funny case when you’re also rich enough to buy the entire media company).
I wouldn’t be surprised if he has other addiction going on at the same time. I mean who can tell this guy he has a problem? Who can say no to this guy, nobody has any authority over him…
What would be scarier is if he wasn’t on drugs. Being on drugs means that there is a “normal state” for him to return to.
These are the same people that let him fire a car into orbit around Mars with an “empty” space suit in the driver’s seat.
Wdym “empty”? Did he sneak a person inside or something? I wouldn’t put it past the guy.
Perfect way to get rid of a body.
That would be the news of the 24th century.
“The 21st century vehicle was rescued for placement in the Mars History Museum. DNA testing has confirmed that the man in the digital dark ages era space suite is in fact the formerly unknown half brother of Elon Musk. Mr. Musk is primarily remembered for creating the Xitter we know today. The xit posted by scientists is popping with more than 4 billion bursts around the two worlds. If you enjoy our content, don’t forget to link your brain, think hard about that like button, and focus on that bell for notifications.”
Apart from every single gram of weight having to be accounted for when you’re talking about rocketry.
I get the joke, but it’s the perfect way to have a body never found again. There would be many times during the whole thing he could have been caught if he had in fact done so. Think there are a few better ways to get rid of a body with less eyes on the situation.
Yeah, but would it be in a egocentric Musk way?
Companies perform drug checks for a reason. People who lead large organizations while regularly getting off on drugs are usually the biggest psychopaths around.
Drug tests are just to keep their boots on the faces of the workers. It’s disgusting and invasive.
Because there are no instances in history where forcing drug use had been weaponized at the international level. Man, sometimes it’s so easy to see how lemmy is close to the same dark web that spams drug adverts on matrix.
You’re seriously suggesting that drug tests are designed to protect employees from employers forcing them to do drugs? That’s ridiculous.
False username, not sentient.
Don’t be silly. Drug testing is largely for worker’s comp. Think the insurance wants to pay out on an accident a fucked up employee got into? That has nothing to do with the employer.
That’s why the vast majority of jobs coded as “clerical” do not require a test. Employers don’t want to pay for all that if they don’t have to.
EDIT: Lemmings who know nothing of the employment field, but want to get righteously angry.
I’m sorry you’re eating downvotes but this is the absolute truth in a lot of cases. I put in 18 years at various restaurants, worked every position except manager. I’ve never needed a drug test to get a job, and every job I ever had in that industry people were definitely on drugs at work, but drug tests are mandatory after a workplace injury. The reason being they don’t actually care whether you’re high at work but they can use the fact that almost everyone in a restaurant is high in order to cut costs under the guise of “workplace safety”.
The higher up you go, the less likely it is that you’d be tested for drugs. We could empty board rooms if we insisted on drug testing at that level.
Yes, but I’m not really arguing against that claim. The higher up you go, the more psychopaths you have as well. They can have all the drugs they want, the real work usually doesn’t depend on them, and psychopathy helps them make money if not contribute to society.
And that reason is to keep insurance premiums down.
So why do insurance premiums go up if people use drugs? Imaginary reasons?