• WaxedWookie@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    All censorship is bad?

    Death threats, shouting fire in a crowded theatre, child porn?

    Beyond that, protecting the freedom of speech of the likes of Nazis, who would use that freedom to harass and intimidate, consolidate power, then take away all freedoms, and commit a string of genocides is anti-freedom.

    It’s the paradox of tolerance - this shit is a social contract - you get freedoms on the condition you don’t fuck with the freedoms of others.

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      10 months ago

      “Freedom of expression of opinion” would be a more fitting term, as it is called in most languages. Death threads and shouting fire in a crowded theater are not opinions…

      Censorship of any opinion is bad.

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        10 months ago

        Where does stochastic terrorism and incitement of violence sit with you? How about the Nazi dipshits loudly expressing their “thought” while armed and standing in front of an event at a library? Jan 6 propagandists whipping the morons into an insurrectionist frenzy?

        Expression of thought in the kinds of ways in talking about have very tangible consequences.

        I think x group are subhuman trash that deserve to be exterminated - they’ve stolen everything from us, and need to pay for that. They’ll be raping children at this event - it’s our patriotic duty to stop them!

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      10 months ago

      Death threats, shouting fire in a crowded theatre, child porn?

      You’re confusing freedom of ideas and speech with freedom of action.

      Censorship is about limiting freedom of thought and speech.

      As much as I think it’s a waste of mental energy, you have the absolute right to wish someone dead. Acting on that thought is where the line is drawn, and crossing that line is where it becomes a crime.

      There’s a very distinct difference.

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        10 months ago

        I think you’re confused about thought - it’s got nothing to do with anything I said.

        Making threats, triggering a stampede, downloading CSAM, and participating in a group whose objective is are all actions with tangible consequences.

        What’s the utility in protecting these things? As far as organised crime organisations go, what’s more serious than genocide?