Yes they can, hence why this unabashed vitriol is clearly just Lemmy group think.
Because while you may not agree with the fact he is closely associated with the Republicans. He did get a Nobel Peace Prize.
And while I never praised the man, the fact I called out people for bandwagoning, only for the responses to be more bandwagoning and the attempt to frame what I posted as support for the man clearly shows the level of blind indoctrination of “this bad, this good” group think going on here.
Also he was a staunch anti communist. Probably the real reason for the outpouring of hatred.
You think you’re unique coz you’re contrarian and can think for yourself. You’re just more interested in being edgy.
And it’s not just lemmy, all of media has come out to remember who Kissinger really was. Except for Reuters. They suck.
Anyway, be brave and pick a side. There’s no high road here by taking a neutral stance on Kissinger. He was a monster and should be remembered as such.
I don’t think I’m unique at all, in fact I know I’m not. Humans are pretty predictable because of the fact we are not unique.
However your assertion that I’m contrarian because I’m not supporting the dogpile, is simply an assertion that my position is anti popular in it’s goal. And further you are assuming that the group think going on right now is the popular opinion amongst general society.
And while I would not be so bold to claim that “all of the media” is on this dogpile, I would ask if that is more a reflection of the media you choose to embrace, rather than the sentiment of general society.
Finally I’m not going to fall for the trick of claiming I’m some flakey fence sitter because I “failed to choose a side”, because I never claimed to be on Kissinger’s. I just don’t like this dogpile, it seems disingenuous to me. So someone needs to call it out.
I pointed out the huge amount of group think going on with this subject right now because the only opinions being expressed, and certainly the only being supported in this circle are those whom advocate to portray Kissenger as the devil.
I already said I’m not a fan of Kissenger and I disagree with pretty much all of his policies, but that opinion notwithstanding, the level of vitriol going on at the moment is nothing more than dogpiling using populist pandering and someone should at least call it out.
In the past few hours the feed has been full of this crap.
And you’re the cliche regurgitator of other’s opinions without adding content to discussion.
In case that was unclear. You’re the type of person who interrupts a discussion to go “oh yeah what that other person said”, because you think it gains favour, cannot add value to a discussion and feel the need to be heard for you own self indulgence.
Are we done with irrelevant posts yet or should we go on?
Unlike yourself I don’t need to take other people’s words and regurgitate them. Nor do I need cheap parlour tricks like inserting what I wish to argue against as the premise of my argument.
That was kind of the point. Sorry it was too nuanced for you.
Let me simply.
You are adding no value to this discussion because your comments are irrelevant and superficial.
Why do you feel uncomfortable with criticizing a mass murdering war criminal?
The dude didn’t hate communism for their values but for belonging to the enemy. He was a Jew but hated his own people (he said he’d gave been an antisemite if he wasn’t born a Jew, with a motivation as asinine as “they must have been doing something wrong to be persecuted for 2000 years”, as if he didn’t know what propaganda was), including ignoring executions of Jews in USSR.
He personally ordered THOUSANDS of bombings in Cambodia and in many many other countries, was responsible for multiple coups and replacing democratic leaders with dictators (this is not something you do if you genuinely belive in democracy over communism), and was an overall monster.
I mean really? How many unsubstantiated claims do you want to make, and must I really call them out?
A “mass murderer”, really, can you provide evidence other than IamRight weblinks?
No you cannot, a legitimate criticism would be that he turned a blind eye to war crimes, he was not a mass murderer. That’s nothing more than hyperbola.
He was “A Jew but hated his own people”. Wow okay, yeah sure, that’s so egregious it doesn’t require rebuttal.
In any case, where did I state that I rejected criticism? I simply pointed out that Lemmy got a hardon today for dogpiling on this subject and there is no discourse, there is only group think.
I never claimed that discourse doesn’t require rebuttal, in fact invite it. Honest debate is important.
Now I’m not saying this directly to you, but most of the replies I’m getting are not that. And most of the posts and threads about this subject are not that. It’s an echo chamber.
I just don’t want more irrelevant “lol you stupid” responses because they are pointless.
Now I’m probably going to piss you off here. But I don’t put a lot of stock in random .com and .net type links.
If they are .edu or at least well reviewed wiki article then I’ll consider them. Because I can also find links that support any argument and claim any “truth”.
Yes they can, hence why this unabashed vitriol is clearly just Lemmy group think.
Because while you may not agree with the fact he is closely associated with the Republicans. He did get a Nobel Peace Prize.
And while I never praised the man, the fact I called out people for bandwagoning, only for the responses to be more bandwagoning and the attempt to frame what I posted as support for the man clearly shows the level of blind indoctrination of “this bad, this good” group think going on here.
Also he was a staunch anti communist. Probably the real reason for the outpouring of hatred.
You think you’re unique coz you’re contrarian and can think for yourself. You’re just more interested in being edgy.
And it’s not just lemmy, all of media has come out to remember who Kissinger really was. Except for Reuters. They suck.
Anyway, be brave and pick a side. There’s no high road here by taking a neutral stance on Kissinger. He was a monster and should be remembered as such.
I don’t think I’m unique at all, in fact I know I’m not. Humans are pretty predictable because of the fact we are not unique.
However your assertion that I’m contrarian because I’m not supporting the dogpile, is simply an assertion that my position is anti popular in it’s goal. And further you are assuming that the group think going on right now is the popular opinion amongst general society.
And while I would not be so bold to claim that “all of the media” is on this dogpile, I would ask if that is more a reflection of the media you choose to embrace, rather than the sentiment of general society.
Finally I’m not going to fall for the trick of claiming I’m some flakey fence sitter because I “failed to choose a side”, because I never claimed to be on Kissinger’s. I just don’t like this dogpile, it seems disingenuous to me. So someone needs to call it out.
I pointed out the huge amount of group think going on with this subject right now because the only opinions being expressed, and certainly the only being supported in this circle are those whom advocate to portray Kissenger as the devil.
I already said I’m not a fan of Kissenger and I disagree with pretty much all of his policies, but that opinion notwithstanding, the level of vitriol going on at the moment is nothing more than dogpiling using populist pandering and someone should at least call it out.
In the past few hours the feed has been full of this crap.
You have an insufferable personality and you’re not as profound as you think you are.
You’re the flat earthers of morality.
And you’re the cliche regurgitator of other’s opinions without adding content to discussion.
In case that was unclear. You’re the type of person who interrupts a discussion to go “oh yeah what that other person said”, because you think it gains favour, cannot add value to a discussion and feel the need to be heard for you own self indulgence.
Are we done with irrelevant posts yet or should we go on?
Did you get that quote from somebody who had just been listening to you talk? And then misunderstood and thought they meant the other person?
Unlike yourself I don’t need to take other people’s words and regurgitate them. Nor do I need cheap parlour tricks like inserting what I wish to argue against as the premise of my argument.
That was kind of the point. Sorry it was too nuanced for you.
Let me simply.
You are adding no value to this discussion because your comments are irrelevant and superficial.
Why do you feel uncomfortable with criticizing a mass murdering war criminal?
The dude didn’t hate communism for their values but for belonging to the enemy. He was a Jew but hated his own people (he said he’d gave been an antisemite if he wasn’t born a Jew, with a motivation as asinine as “they must have been doing something wrong to be persecuted for 2000 years”, as if he didn’t know what propaganda was), including ignoring executions of Jews in USSR.
He personally ordered THOUSANDS of bombings in Cambodia and in many many other countries, was responsible for multiple coups and replacing democratic leaders with dictators (this is not something you do if you genuinely belive in democracy over communism), and was an overall monster.
I mean really? How many unsubstantiated claims do you want to make, and must I really call them out?
A “mass murderer”, really, can you provide evidence other than IamRight weblinks? No you cannot, a legitimate criticism would be that he turned a blind eye to war crimes, he was not a mass murderer. That’s nothing more than hyperbola.
He was “A Jew but hated his own people”. Wow okay, yeah sure, that’s so egregious it doesn’t require rebuttal.
In any case, where did I state that I rejected criticism? I simply pointed out that Lemmy got a hardon today for dogpiling on this subject and there is no discourse, there is only group think.
So you’re not able to find information about the bombings he personally approved of?
Blind eye? He INSTIGATED the war crimes, intentionally, because he wanted them to happen
https://forward.com/culture/470300/kissinger-at-100-if-it-were-not-for-the-accident-of-my-birth-i-would-be/
You’re pretending it doesn’t require rebuttal because you think big lie rhetorics works with people who know this shit better than you do
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/149898 - “Kissinger Called Jews ‘Self-Serving,’ ‘Bastards’”
You’re ironically engaging in more group think than the rest of us by going all in on contrarianism
I never claimed that discourse doesn’t require rebuttal, in fact invite it. Honest debate is important.
Now I’m not saying this directly to you, but most of the replies I’m getting are not that. And most of the posts and threads about this subject are not that. It’s an echo chamber.
I just don’t want more irrelevant “lol you stupid” responses because they are pointless.
Now I’m probably going to piss you off here. But I don’t put a lot of stock in random .com and .net type links.
If they are .edu or at least well reviewed wiki article then I’ll consider them. Because I can also find links that support any argument and claim any “truth”.
As an example, the world is run by Reptile Aliens. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/240595423_The_Reptoid_Hypothesis_Utopian_and_Dystopian_Representational_Motifs_in_David_Icke’s_Alien_Conspiracy_Theory