• Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    I thought it was easy until my kids’ school system tried to do it.

    The bus drivers all quit. The only reason they took the job was because it was early and they could start a 9-5 job after their bus drive.

    After delays and rescheduling, many schools in the district now start earlier than they did before they tried to make them later.

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      Also a tertiary function of schools is to act publically funded daycare. Moving the handoff later in the morning means that parents would also need to start work later, or take on fewer hours.

      Not saying that wouldn’t be a good thing, but there are knock-on effects that go beyond the clout of a school to tackle.

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      10 months ago

      So hire other bus drivers, or just have kids take the regular bus. Where I live there’s no such thing as a school bus.

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        10 months ago

        That’s impossible in almost all of the United States. There is no regular bus system in most of the country

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        10 months ago

        Hiring takes time. It also required a lot more money than was budgeted because you need people who don’t have a 9-5. And lastly, not everyone lives in the city where there are buses.

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          10 months ago

          Buses can function fine in towns as long as the town is designed well. Very few people live in areas too rural for public transportation to function.

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            10 months ago

            as long as the town is designed well.

            Unfortunately I have to live in the real world where towns aren’t designed well. Besides, the average yard in my neighborhood is 3.5 acres so general purpose public transportation wouldn’t work either.

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              10 months ago

              Change happens iteratively. The first step is to acknowledge the problem and adjust how future development is planned. Start with the town center and move outward from there. Giving up fixes nothing.

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          10 months ago

          It actually really is that simple. Design cities and towns so that kids can safely commute to school on their own and you’ve solved the problem.

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              10 months ago

              90% of north Americans live in towns or cities. And no you don’t need a large population to support public transportation, here are hundreds of examples in Europe.

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                10 months ago

                Excuse me? My mother grew up in the countryside. Just because you’ve never seen a field before doesn’t mean you get to call other people uncivilized

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                  10 months ago

                  100% agree please don’t attribute this person’s comments with the urbanist movement.

                  Urbanists want cities & towns to be better places to live for everyone, we want to improve the finances of towns and people, we want to improve the health & quality of life of the average person. Urbanists do not hate anyone’s way of life or want to force them to live differently.

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            Except it’s too late for that. The cities are already built. Fixing it would require tearing down entire cities and building new ones. Sure, you could do it one chunk of the city at a time, but doing just one city would take decades and exorbitant amounts of money.

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              10 months ago

              The Netherlands did it in the 70s and plenty of cities are progressively doing it. All you’re saying is, “we fucked our cities up, guess the only way forward is to double down.”

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            A small town is 10,000-50,000 people. Average home price is $300k. There are around 2,000 towns of 10,000-50,000. That’s $18,000,000,000,000 to build some of the small towns in the US to be public transportation friendly. Who gets dragged out of their homes to make room for rebuilding?

            And you’ll still have to problem that many people don’t want to live in crowded towns. Most people that like crowded cities are already living there.

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              Plenty of towns that size are served well by public transportation in Europe.

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      We lived in a city where high schoolers take public transit and that worked well for them, but the district could never hire enough drivers for the elementary and middle schools. Even with the drivers they had, they had to stagger school start and end times so that buses could do multiple routes. Some schools started at 7 and others at 9. Then the problem you highlight comes up, that there are only a few hours between shifts, so it was harder for drivers to have a second job. Many drove Uber between.