I’m not too tech savvy so I appreciate responses in layman’s terms.

I have a rough concept of how NewPipe works, (correct me if I’m wrong though!) basically it’s a scrapper so it somehow reads the information in YouTube, anonymously, and filters the ads for you.

What I’m interested in knowing is, how does this behaviour look like from YouTube’s perspective. Can the platform “tell” that someone is accessing their content but not the ads that should go before and inbetween the videos? Do these views requested by NewPipe count towards the global amount of views a video has? Do content creators still get money from youtube ads with NewPipe views? Do they also get to see engagement data from views (such as which parts are skipped)? Etc etc.

  • stoy@lemmy.zipEnglish
    118·
    11 months ago

    EDIT!

    I have compled the data from today! It is in a comment ot this comment!

    EDIT!

    I may be able to help…

    While I am definately not a youtuber, I do have a few random videos on my channel, here is a test video from when I bought my Sigma 100-400mm telezoom lens for my Lumix S5.

    Give it a few views with different frontends and I’ll check the stats later this evening…

    Note however that no videos I have on my channel is monetized, which might skew the data, but it us the best I can offer:

    https://youtu.be/cKHi_K_AQVs?si=5tkVIyng7yjECSm4

    EDIT:

    I will shortly head to work, but so far the most interesting stat I have seen today is this:

    Even with this limited stats you can clearly see that some of the external frontends are listed as “Other Youtube Features”

    I’ll get back with more stats after work, or when I see that they have compiled, I will try and get all data I can, I may not be able to enterpret it, but I will do my best to post when I have.

  • MrZee@lemm.eeEnglish
    397·
    11 months ago

    Sorry, no answer here. I just want to say that this is a really interesting question and I hope someone is able to answer.

  • fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.comEnglish
    301·
    11 months ago

    Most larger creators say their funds come in three forms, from most payout to least: sponsorships, YT premium views, ad supported views.

    A few outdoors/vanlife channels, who are an audience that’s pretty open about this sort of thing, have even gone through the stats on YT and what they make.

    Bigger channels are businesses, so they do care, even if they’re teckie and likely used ad-blockers before getting in the biz.

  • thegiddystitcher@lemm.ee
    301·
    11 months ago

    There is definitely the concept of monetised (ie ad-viewing) vs unmonetised views, here’s a random day example from mine:

    Unfortunately I can’t see a way to filter to just unmonetised views, to take a look at the traffic sources. I did have a quick look through the traffic sources in general though and can’t see any of the popular frontends listed in external, other YT, or anywhere else. So if those views are counted (which it seems like they are from the experiment in top comment) I expect they probably end up in one of the “unknown” buckets. Whether that means it really is unknown or just that YT don’t want to be drawing attention to these services by name, who knows.

    • DacoTaco@lemmy.world
      131·
      11 months ago

      As a creator, how do these things make you feel? Do you understand the users of sponserblock or …?
      Ive legit always wondered if creators were always fully against adblocking, or if they understood those users and wished it was different. Idk :')

      • thegiddystitcher@lemm.ee
        25·
        11 months ago

        Oh yeah I don’t care. My videos go up on PeerTube as well, don’t make any money there, just enjoy sharing my crafts with people really! I won’t deny the bit of extra cash is nice and it definitely helps afford stuff for new videos, which I struggled with sometimes before getting monetised. But that doesn’t take much, anything else is just a bonus.

        You’d probably get a different answer from someone who’s into it like a proper business and trying to grow grow grow.

        • Zikeji@programming.devEnglish
          3·
          11 months ago

          As someone who despises ads, if adblock on YouTube were to stop working tomorrow I wouldn’t use YouTube until it’s fixed. So creators I do watch aren’t missing out on ad revenue they’d otherwise get with me. If I recommend a video to a friend who doesn’t block ads, a friend who otherwise wouldn’t see it, the creator still benefited from my view. For creators I enjoy often, I support them in other ways - subbing if they stream, buying merch, etc.

          • thegiddystitcher@lemm.ee
            3·
            11 months ago

            Not sure you meant this to be a direct reply to my comment but fwiw I completely agree with you.

            Some people are ok watching with ads because it supports creators. Some people aren’t, but choose to donate to individual creators instead. And others are either unable or unwilling to do either but the moral support of their views and comments is lovely regardless.

  • IbnLemmy@feddit.uk
    274·
    11 months ago

    Nothing to add but wanted to say, good question and some good reaponses

  • shameless@lemmy.world
    17·
    11 months ago

    It’s an interesting argument because creators are totally at the mercy of YT in this aspect. If YT says that the audience are using adblockers etc, it’s extremely difficult for the creator to dispute this. Whilst I’m sure out of the goodness of their heart(/s) YT has something in place to accurately detect this but then again, no system is 100% flawless 100% of the time

  • M500@lemmy.mlEnglish
    13·
    11 months ago

    I know that creators do not get ad revenue if you use an adblocker, so I assume it works the same way for things like free tube.

    Linux tech tips has talked a bit about adblocker on YouTube and so has Louis rossman. I think they can see it

    • dustyData@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      11 months ago

      Linus seriously thinks that adblocking is piracy. Dude is nothing but money, money, money, the customer be damned. So who cares what he thinks.

      • Player2@sopuli.xyz
        3·
        11 months ago

        That’s not exactly what he said. If you go back, you’ll see that he said he doesn’t mind at all when people do it, including his own viewers. It’s just that by not watching advertisements, the viewer is purposefully not paying for the content in the platform’s intended way, just like you can torrent content to avoid paying someone like Netflix.

        You might argue with the validity of the specific wording, but I don’t think it was about him getting more money, and I’m speaking as someone who does both of the things I mentioned above.

        • dustyData@lemmy.worldEnglish
          21·
          11 months ago

          It’s 100% and categorically not like torrenting. It’s a dumb argument either way. This is like saying that if you stand up to pee during a commercial break while watching cable you’re not paying for the content and thus stealing. No one is entitled to have their ads watched, that idea is just egregious. But anyways, did you remember to drink your Monster™ verification can? Otherwise you’re stealing this comment and you owe me $5 for reading it.

          ADD: Your comment reminded me of this image.

  • Otter@lemmy.caEnglish
    11·
    11 months ago

    I’ve heard anecdotally that they don’t get paid when the ads are blocked. I assume there’s some kind of confirmation built into the process?

    I’m curious about the specifics too though. There are lots of tech creators involved with open source, maybe they can share more?

    • Alto@kbin.social
      8·
      11 months ago

      From what I understand, creators get their payout triggered at the same time that youtube does, so in general Amy behavior not triggering YT’s revenue will almost certainly also not trigger the creator’s

  • dwindling7373@feddit.itEnglish
    121·
    11 months ago

    Not an expert but at a certain point FreeTube introduced SponsorBlock in their code, and posted a blog post describing why it wasn’t on by default and how that choice was a good compromise toward the creators and to push for better form of monetization. A similar talk was had by NewPipe. From those link you can find all sort of details about the intended (and unintended) impact of those tools.

    https://docs.freetubeapp.io/usage/sponsorblock/#disclaimer

    https://newpipe.net/blog/pinned/newpipe-and-online-advertising/

    From those sources it’s easy to see that those technology are indeed transparent to some form of monetization.

    Technology aside, I think it’s safe to assume YouTube incentivizes creators according to engagement and retention, no matter the technology used to see them or the ads shown, since what they are ultimately rewarding is the skill of the creator in grabbing human attention. How to maximize the monetization of that is secondary.