Is this the vegan utopia we’ve been dreading? You don’t win friends with salad

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    1 year ago

    “Rampant consumerism” isn’t the problem. Lack of meaningful alternatives is the problem. Everything is made overseas, and everyone is too broke to afford locally-made products even if they did exist. Back in the day when computers were made in the USA, for example, you’d easily pay the equivalent of $8000 for one.

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      So you’re saying that you are not willing to pay the price for products made in climate and worker friendly conditions.

      Most people aren’t and since “the little people” want harmful products, companies produce harmful products.

      It is “the little people”'s fault. The corporations would offer climate and worker friendly products, if people bought them.

      But the little people choose not to.

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        I’ll go ahead and repeat myself, since you seem to have missed a crucial part of my previous comment:

        everyone is too broke to afford locally-made products even if they did exist.

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          You do realize products somewhere else aren’t magically cheaper? That the transport actually adds to the cost?

          The reason these products are cheaper is because you rely to abusing others.

          And no, abuse of others is not necessary. But yes, you would not be able to live as decadent of a lifestyle if you had to have even close to as little wealth as the people whose poverty you abuse.

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            Decadent lifestyle? Is that some kind of joke? Who the hell is leading a decadent lifestyle in this economy? I’m lucky to even have a roof over my head, and the streets are crawling with homeless people who were only slightly less lucky!

            Direct your complaints to the rich people who created the problem and have the power to solve it. Blaming me for circumstances far outside my control is useless.

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              Decadent lifestile compared to the people whose products you buy because you “can’t afford” to pay people in your own country.

              Guess why products produced in your own country cost so much? Because the workers there get paid lots of money (when compared to the rest of the world).

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                You continue to insist on blaming the systematic impoverishment and exploitation of the working class upon members of that same class, instead of the actual perpetrators. I am forced to assume that this is intentional, and that you are trying to sow division and infighting among the working class.

                If my assessment of your intentions is correct, shame on you. If not, you should think long and hard about what you did to create that impression, and what you can do differently in the future.

                Either way, this will be the last time I speak to you.

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                  You think I’m “trying to sow division and infighting among the working class”?

                  Try taking off your tinfoil hat for a while.