Please keep it civil.
Sometimes victim blaming is valid. We as people can take mitigating actions to avoid trouble. And a lot of people just don’t.
E.g. people who don’t look before crossing a road at crosswalks. It’s the vehicles fault for hitting you. But you could have easily prevented it by having a modicum of self-preservation
Yeah I mostly agree with this. Like, sometimes a victim can cause something to happen without deserving the outcome. Nobody deserves to be mauled by a lion, but jumping into a lion cage will cause that to happen, and I won’t feel bad for you.
Not controversial with politically literate people, but bigots, fascists, racists, homophobes, transphobes, etc., shouldn’t get a platform to spew their shit. Public or private, doesn’t matter. And any effort by them to acquire one needs to be put down.
It shocked me when my friends pushed back when I explained why Rogan shouldn’t have those people on his show with a freeze peach argument. Those people deserve nothing but a sock full of batteries.
I disagree with, and despise people who spew hate speech and other bigoted bs…but I also don’t believe in using violence against anyone merely because I disagree with their words. I think most reasonable people could perceive how that might become a “slippery slope”.
It might, but at this point the kid gloves have to come off. We’re coming ever closer to climate catastrophe, and we get nothing but platitudes and half measures. Wages are nowhere near to liveable, and we get nothing but a boot to the face. Hateful bigots have free roam to spew their shit in the streets, internet, radio and print, and now they run the government and spew their shit with no consequences and we get their hatespeech converted to policy.
Taking the high road is a losing strategy.
Ahh, yes. The hallmark of the supposedly “politically literate”. Wanting to physically beat everyone who doesn’t agree. Truly the most enlightened of stances.
It is definitely a hallmark of the politically illiterate to be completely unaware of the paradox of tolerance.
Do you understand that there’s space between “aware of the paradox of tolerance” and “sock full of batteries”?
One need not agree with every piece of garbage they’re aware of
Walk off a cliff, fash.
Please stay respectful, even if you disagree.
Go fuck yourself, troll
“doesn’t agree” here meaning “is trying to strip minorities of their rights”. Just a little intolerance should be tolerated.
Edit: I read some of their comment history, don’t bother engaging them. Full mask off shit. Favorite quote: “I don’t give a singular fuck about voting rights.”
I guess the I have no reason to be tolerant of you since you’re trying to strip people of their rights.
Velcro is fine. It shouldn’t just be for kids shoes: shoelaces are like ties: a pointless time waster we should have ditched as soon as we invented velcro.
Based but velcro stops working after a while while laces thend to take more time.
I got the velcro on my motorbike boots replaced at a shoe repair shop, a whole €12 to get another couple of years use out of them seemed likes bargain. New boots like them are €150 at least
Laces do stop working after a while, and that’s why you can buy replacements.
I see zero reason you can’t have strong mountpoints for the velcro, and have replaceable velcro ‘laces’
Not that they dont, but thend to take way more time. And velcro usually stops working due to fur and dust getting suck on the spiky side of it and its easyer to replace laces. But i still like velcro since its easyer to wear.
We currently live in a thriving bully culture. Every stupid fucking political issue were focused on is either preventing bullying or encouraging bullying. I think its about time we recognized that a huge percent of humans get a dopamine/feel good boost when they shit on other people. This counts for things as vague and superficial as someones appearance, up to whether or not someone should have rights.
Minorities (race/gender/religion/sexual orientation/gender identity/whatever) should be treated equally but not treated specially (no affirmative action/positive or negative stereotypes/etc) including celebrations/holidays or acknowledgements that they are the first XYZ person to do ABC. Those kind of details should be as utterly unremarkable as someone having a different eye color, different hair color, innie/outie belly button, being left- or right-handed, etc.
Otherwise, they are being given consideration based on some arbitrary trait rather than on character or other merits. And that consideration only serves to accentuate and widen the divide.
Pineapple on pizza is okay.
(I have my 9mm beretta, an uzi, a kalishnakov machine gun I picked up in the Congo, 6 grenades, a machete and and broad sword and I’m going up on that hill over there so you come and take me down. C’mon all you motherfuckers try and say otherwise, pizza purist pussies!)
We’re the healthiest and smartest generation in the last hundred or so years on average per person, yet due to a variety of systemic factors we’re all totally handicapped to producing positive changes towards helping one another let alone many, and it’s largely down to our systems being completely shit.
Companies want people to be healthy and smart to do work. But they also want people to be divided to smaller groups (e.g. bullshit rule about not telling your salary to coworkers). And companies pay as less as people can withstand so we will want to work more. And by working more we are more closed minded and angry and don’t have a time to be kinder.
Idk if that’s makes sense, but I’m just sad because of inequality and people (poor, short sighted people) willing to defend it.
What a fucking dumpster fire of a comment section lmao
That the mental health system in the US is fundamentally broken due to the general attitude toward suicidality. As I understand it, the general and medical view of suicidality is that suicide cannot be allowed under any circumstances. Anyone acting in ways that seem like they could realistically lead to suicide must be stopped, by force if necessary. To this end, not only is it considered morally correct to report suicidal people to the proper authorities, but it is actually mandated in many cases.
This seems perfectly reasonable from the perspective of most people - suicide wreaks terrible havoc on the lives of the people around the victim, after all, on top of the general loss of life. This holds especially true because most suicide attempts are spur-of-the-moment decisions that have not been thought through, and these cases have a very good chance of recovery if they are talked down. As far as I am aware, the majority of people who have been brought back from suicide attempts are grateful for the second chance.
But this leaves a rather large class of people behind, who are in such anguish for one reason or another that suicide seems like the only option. These are not people who kill themselves on a whim - they are people who have considered the ramifications of such an action for sometimes decades. If one of these people determines that suicide is the right choice, this essentially traps them in a space where they can no longer be helped. They cannot reach out to literally anyone, because everyone from their therapist to their friends to their relatives are likely to call in an intervention and involuntarily imprison them in a psychiatric ward. And even worse - these people do this in a genuine attempt to help, completely unaware of the paradox this creates.
To someone of this mindset, evoking an intervention of that nature is simply not an option. If one is in such pain that suicide seems like the only escape, then removing that escape is by definition worse than a death sentence. It seems a special kind of cruelty, the last remaining thing the world can do to ensure you feel every last second of this pain it has in store for you. To these people, their autonomy is often the very last thing they have left, and it is incredibly precious.
And so, the only route left is to suffer in silence, slowly regressing until the day they actually kill themselves. After a certain threshold where speaking about their mental state risks imprisonment, they are effectively already lost - because even if something could still be done to help them, the perceived risk is too high to ever reach for it.
I was in such a state for many years, and was lucky enough to be able to return on my own to a level where I feel ‘eligible for mental help’ again. However, I feel as if most people who reach that level are not so fortunate, and it twists my heart to know what we are inadvertently inflicting upon these poor, invisible people. There has to be a better way to approach this.
Just look at Canada’s scandals around MAID and you’ll see why allowing it can lead to severe problems including inconvenient people being pressured into choosing suicide.
other than a few Nazis and etc, most of these opinions don’t seem that controversial.
That’s because actual controversial opinions get downvoted. And people are afraid of that for some reason.
The biggest issue humanity is facing currently is corruption of governments and corporations.
Is the controversial part of this opinion the fact that it’s not controversial at all so that it will create a discussion based on its controversy?
Representative Democracies have failed (are failing) like all other political ruling systems have failed so far. Some failed just faster than others that failed more catastrophically while some fail silently (agonizing). In the end all systems failed.
Wow, that is unpopular. I’ve been campaigning against republics for a long time, but I’ve never seen anyone agree.
Nowadays you can cause riots by saying: Humans come in XY and XX chromosomes by genetic program, the correct expression of this genetic program leads to male or female genitalia and there’s currently no medical or surgical procedure to change that, no matter how much you insist. So that was one notch less controversial.
You can’t cause riots by saying that. Obviously you can’t literally change your dna. No one is trying to do that. What people are saying, is that gender, while related to sex, isn’t the same thing as sex. The meaning of the word is basically category, and if you look at other cultures, they often have more than 2 genders, and they are not related to or are only partially related to sex. That’s what people mean when they say gender is a social construct. Trans people are truly changing genders, not sexes. That’s why the term “transgender” is used.
Sounds to me like they are recognizing the issue that gender is a construct, and making the issue worse by enforcing more made up social boxes to stuff things into, instead of recognizing and accepting the realities of sex and disrespecting gender as the oppressive tool it is. Just like how non-binary people who submit to their specific place in the trans story are enforcing the idea of two main boxes they fit between. I think the misstep in most languages development that pushed sex information/assumptions into pronouns has made it harder to think of things logically now. Someones genetic configuration have no relevance to the vast majority of communications. Unfortunately, I think this has cause bad people to enforce oppression and impacted peo people to create more fantasy that modifies the issue but doesn’t help it. I personally think the biggest danger in trans led communications is a lack of focus on looking to accept yourself as a physical being and disrespect what people expect from that, as a first step anyways. I think more steps beyond that are certainly good for some people. I think that sounds of the things trans people are advocating for is great for humans, but only because they’re the quickest way to get a slightly better quality of life using fantasy. I don’t know if eradicating the social constrains built into our very languages is as easy as creating fantasy social constraints that give more people more peace. It’s a difficult topic in my opinion.
I don’t know if eradicating the social constrains built into our very languages is as easy as creating fantasy social constraints that give more people more peace.
It would be essentially impossible to convince people to just stop using gendered pronouns. Some languages already do this, like Turkish, but it introduces more problems. It becomes much more difficult to differentiate between people in conversation if you use the same pronouns for everyone. People who natively speak Turkish, and other languages like it, learn to structure their sentences in ways that make it clear who they are talking about without the use of gendered pronouns. So not only do you have to convince people to stop using those pronouns, you have to change the way they speak entirely.
I think its a much better idea to have more than 2 genders, maybe 3 or 4, and randomly assign them at birth regardless of sex. This way you could differentiate between people even more effectively as well as remove the social constraints. This would also be extremely difficult and probably impossible to make happen, but I think its ideal.
We assign a random token at birth, that is used purely to identify you in conversations?
That’s called a name my homie
Yes, but why would you refer to people by their name every time you mention them? It gets very tedious very fast.
I’m not sure about that. People are conflating sex and gender all the time and this looks even intentional to me just to create more confusion and potential for drama.
If you check pre-millennial definition of gender you see that it was widely used synonymously. The distinction between sex and gender is just a form of newspeak.
The current mainstream teaches that gender expression is constructed and gender typical roles are assigned at birth and by society during infancy. This is utter nonsense, has been debunked over and over again and is still based on John Moneys gender experiments with the Reimer twins.
Is your argument only that democratic republics will fail? Are you arguing that it would be better to implement democracy in a different way, or that it should be foregone altogether? I imagine most people would agree that they inevitably fail, but not that there is a better option.
I intentionally wrote: representative democracies. I’m not aware of any ongoing implementation of complete direct democracy, not even in Switzerland so I can’t tell for those.
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So what’s the alternative then? Representative democracies devolve into shit shows given sufficient amount of time. Dictatorships are horrible, council-led states (Sowjet) don’t work either… So what’s left?
Anarchy doesn’t work either…
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That hasn’t worked for North America, it’s not working in the EU and if I look at South America… no I won’t.
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I don’t think it’s representative democracy that is the problem per se. That said i would take your hypothetical 51% taking from the 49% over the current practical reality of the 1% voting to take from the 99%
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the 1% have a vested interest in keeping the 99% happy.
My brother, gestures broadly at the world behind him i cannot fathom where you are getting this idea.
But i do agree that I’m getting very hungry
The current system persists because most people are happy enough not to complain. And the current wave of democratic backsliding is arguably caused by people becoming unhappier, and trying to fix that by voting for far-right candidates/parties.
Remember Brexit? 51% vote for one thing, suddenly the entire economic situation goes to shit, without consulting experts, union leaders, economists, diplomats, anyone. Just “yea sounds good let’s leave this shit”. That is what direct democracy is.
What representative democracy seeks to do is the exact opposite: the agonizingly slow parliamentary processes, coalition politics, political pandering, social dialogue, and general unwillingness to do anything rash is the entire point. It makes democracies stable. That’s their whole job. To provide a stable, predictable political environment in which people and businesses can thrive.
Autocracies scare businesses away because every time a ruler dies or is deposed, there is a high likelihood of deep political troubles. Even during the ruler’s lifetime, there is a higher likelihood that he will do something rash (say, invade Ukraine) and then refuse to acknowledge mistakes because an autocratic political apparatus just doesn’t tend to reward honesty. Democracies can make mistakes as well, but every election cycle gives everyone an opportunity to change direction without losing face. And the balance of powers ensures that, if a mistake is made, it probably isn’t a catastrophic one.Now democracies can be too slow to change sometimes. They may be too meek to appropriately deal with an expansionist autocratic state (see: WWII). Some (e.g. France, the US) have “fixed” this issue by giving a lot more power and flexibility to the Executive branch of power. It’s a hard balancing act, because while the advantages to “reactivity” are obvious, it also concentrates power in a way that makes it easier for a wannabe autocrat to hijack.
Furthermore reality isn’t so black&white. There are as many democratic systems as there are democracies. Switzerland has some direct democracy. Some countries (Germany, the Netherlands) are way more parliamentary than others (the US). Lots of Democratic countries have strong social safety nets to ensure that, literally, people don’t go hungry (if your idea of a “socialist” country is Canada, know that Canada is a mere starting point for social-democracy). Voting systems greatly affect democratic outcomes (ranked choice FTW). Unions and citizen involvement makes social democracies work. Many democracies are experimenting with modern methods of citizen involvement, for instance I personally like the idea randomly selecting a diverse section of the population to study a subject, consult experts, and draft propositions to be voted on; it removes a lot of the “useless” aspects of ministerial politics.
You’re being bullied for believing that we shouldn’t accept other cultures and we should accept other cultures instead. You immigrate in my country? You’re learning my language, my culture. Not vica versa.
I didn’t get in your country, you did. It’s not your action that lead you to that point.
I mean, think of it like somebody gets in your family’s home, and suddenly you have to adjust to their standards, not vica versa. Isn’t that weird?
Why do we not do the same for countries? Because ““we’re empathetic””? No we’re not empathetic, our governments just want cheap, illegal labor. Which means, stealing the cheap labor from legal people who already have it in need. Or our children who turned to an age that they can work and can learn basic principles of working.
Look at France right now. Look at Greece, where ~70% of the crimes are committed by non-Greeks. Obviously, coz these people came from a country that either threw them away or from a radical country that they learned to behave like that from there.
The statistics that I made for that are here Statistics - Google sheets
But apparently if you say that, you’re racist. No, I dont care about those people. I’m not afraid of those people. I would happily be friends with any of these people. But they’re from a different culture, different country, and there can’t be no demand to appropriate to THEIR culture. They get in your country, they should appropriate to YOUR culture, not vica versa.
Who is forcing you to adjust to their culture? As far as I know, all you have to do is not directly hinder their ability to maintain their own culture in a new place. I think you might be overestimating what is expected of you.
No you come to my country you appropriate to my culture. Otherwise, as it happens nowadays, if 10, 20, 30% are Shahid then stay at a country where they appropriate the shahid culture. Why you come to a country where they appropriate the Christian culture? It’s just weird. Don’t you wanna be with your fellow Shahids? Or Jihads? We don’t have Mosques for those cultures, now what we have to build and occupy area for other cultures? Are from my country? For someone else’s culture? That’s just mixing culture until the (illegal 99% and no they’re not “refugees” as TV likes to call them) immigration becomes so high that you just made your culture mine by occupying space and minds of the land I used to live with your own mosques your own protest ideologies and you live mostly by crime because why else come from a country with no war and you’re illegally paying thousands to get on illegal boats to come to Europe.
Downvote me all you want. Ethics have blurred your minds because it makes you feel better person coz “you accept people with needs”. No man, they’re illegal immigrants who have no right to come here and we exploit them, we don’t help them, for cheap labor to the point where they start doing crimes.
I’ve made even an excel sheet from trustworthy sources (my country itself released those) where despite the non Greek people are less than 10%, like 700k if we exclude EU citizens, they produce 70% of the crimes. This, is a statistic. Not “an ethic” principle. Not soft science. Hard robust statistics.
So, no, I ironically from really leftist in terms of Immigration and helping those people, went to “fuck it, this has many flaws and these people learned to live a different way and they don’t come here to make ethical business”
I asked you a simple question and your response is a multiple paragraph practically incoherent rant about hating Muslims when no one mentioned them in the first place. But no, its me whose “Ethics have blurred”. I’m the crazy one. Fuck off.
Rant? Muslims? Bro, Im talking about immigrants, and the statistics is right there. And you choose to ignore them. And you choose to insult me. And I’m the bad guy here? So you can feel better for feeling empathetic to illegal immigrants? Okay. Ignore the numbers, statistics, facts. Feel better with your empathetic human instincts so you can fill your ego about how better human you are by ignoring basic science.
if 10, 20, 30% are Shahid then stay at a country where they appropriate the shahid culture. Why you come to a country where they appropriate the Christian culture? It’s just weird. Don’t you wanna be with your fellow Shahids? Or Jihads? We don’t have Mosques for those cultures, now what we have to build and occupy area for other cultures? Are from my country? For someone else’s culture? That’s just mixing culture until the (illegal 99% and no they’re not “refugees” as TV likes to call them) immigration becomes so high that you just made your culture
Rant? Muslims? Bro, Im talking about immigrants
Your arguments are just poorly written nonsense about not wanting mosques in your country. You try to source yourself to sound like your prejudice is reasonable, but your source is an excel sheet you supposedly made. At the very least you could be a slightly better person and admit that you simply hate Muslims and have nothing more of value to say. I won’t argue with you anymore, its pretty obvious it won’t get us anywhere.
They were clearly an religious example, not a rant against them. lol
If you have a religion, you usually require a mosque. A mosque requires HUGE amounts of money which is usually even provided by the government, employees which I pay from my taxes, area that could have been used for a playground or a park and yada yada. Then, you usually transfer your family, or friends, or other groups of the same immigrants. And usually done illegally “coz it works” and Europe lets it happen. Every single year. And suddenly you have a huge culture change and huge areas and taxes that are used for a completely different reason than what the actual citizens who actually used to live there, have been using them for.
This is not a rant, you translate it into a rant. It’s a series of logical conclusions.
If every discussion on the internet is a rant for you because it makes you feel bad, then it’s your issue my friend. I never insulted anybody.
If you have a religion, you usually require a mosque.
I don’t think you know what a mosque is.
I shouldn’t encourage you by responding but you aren’t making it easy for me.
That the human brain hardware has not evolved in the past 2000 years, and classical religions are by far not the only means to induce entire populations (spanning multiple nations and continents) into believing false things. Modern advertising symbolism is often the new religion that motivates the mind, and people do not demonstrate nearly enough self-awareness of the side-effects of peer pressure induced by modern marketing/advertising. We are in an increasing race to the bottom of the flaws of the human brain that was never prepared for recording and unlimited playback of images, sounds, motion video, etc. All of humanity is under threat, and Carl Sagan’s 1995 book calls this out, among others, such as Neil Postman’s 1985 book Amusing Ourselves to Death. Trickle Down Economics may be a bullshit deception, but Trickle Down Memes and Symbols are very real, and we are entering another Dark Ages, this time planet-wide.
“Finnegans Wake is the greatest guidebook to media study ever fashioned by man.” - Marshall McLuhan, Newsweek Magazine, page 56, February 28, 1966.
You mean Carl Sagan’s masterwork a demon haunted world? I picked that up again earlier this year and had a good laugh at how correct he was. It did keep pointing out that engagement/understanding is needed with the other sides. 10/10 would recommend it before cosmos or pale blue dot. He does such a good job trying to communicate his points in a nice and compassionate way. Sadly when I recommend it people assume it’s the atheist manifesto or something?
You mean Carl Sagan’s masterwork a demon haunted world?
yep.
It did keep pointing out that engagement/understanding is needed with the other sides.
“The chief deficiency I see in the skeptical movement is in its polarization: Us vs. Them — the sense that we have a monopoly on the truth; that those other people who believe in all these stupid doctrines are morons; that if you’re sensible, you’ll listen to us; and if not, you’re beyond redemption. This is unconstructive… Whereas, a compassionate approach that from the beginning acknowledges the human roots of pseudoscience and superstition might be much more widely accepted. If we understand this, then of course we feel the uncertainty and pain of the abductees, or those who dare not leave home without consulting their horoscopes, or those who pin their hopes on crystals from Atlantis.” - Sagan
Everyone is mocking an out-group or the other since 2014, it’s reached saturation… inescapable. Echo chamber thinking has become routine, exactly opposite of Pale Blue Dot thinking.
Have you read Nausea by Sartre? I think you might enjoy it.
“People. You must love people. Men are admirable. I want to vomit—and suddenly, there it is: the Nausea”
Bann all religions, its dangerous how stupid these people are.
