• lugal@lemmy.world
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    You know the difference between existing and growing, do you? You can continue to exist for eternity without growing. A stone doesn’t grow, neither does a forest necessarily even though the trees do until they die. So each tree grows but not for eternity, and the forest doesn’t grow but exists (potentially) for eternity. Capitalism would want the tree to grow eternity.

    This is a simplification, so is the original post. You can disagree with it and with me, but don’t call me illiterate. I try to keep calm and civil but if you don’t understand my points, maybe you are stupid not me.

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      1 year ago

      You can continue to exist for eternity without growing.

      Object can, life can’t. Life is the subject matter.

      A stone doesn’t grow, neither does a forest necessarily even though the trees do until they die. So each tree grows but not for eternity, and the forest doesn’t grow but exists (potentially) for eternity.

      Yes.

      Capitalism would want the tree to grow eternity.

      No. Capitalism wants to grow from the limited resources of the tree for eternity.

      Just like cancer wants to grow from the limited resources in your body for eternity.

      Just like life wants to grow from the universes limited resources until eternity.

      All inevitably unsustainable.

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        Just like life wants to grow from the universes limited resources until eternity.

        That’s not the same since life stops growing at some point like I stop trying to explain simple facts to you at this point. I rather read a book than discuss with trolls. But like capitalism, I should have stopped earlier.

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          Yes, life stops growing when the resources run out. Just like capitalism, just like cancer.

          The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago, second best time is now. Go plant the seeds of a better education. Have a good life.

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            I say it one more time: capitalist models expect limitless growth. That’s the problem since there is no limitless growth. It is this discrepancy of expectation and reality that makes capitalism so destructive.

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                So you agree that we need an economic and social system that doesn’t? Your pedantry that life isn’t eternal is way beyond the point since for all intents and purposes, it is as good as eternal

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                  So you agree that we need an economic and social system that doesn’t?

                  Yes.

                  Your pedantry that life isn’t eternal is way beyond the point since for all intents and purposes, it is as good as eternal

                  Holy fucking shit, you got it! You got the point!

                  Reductio ad absurdum

                  To reduce to absurdity.

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                    So you make fun of the guy changing capitalism to life? Sorry, I misread it.

                    But even then you should read a book. Many people compare capitalism to nature since Darwin and stuff. That’s not reductio ad absurdum but a naturalistic fallacy. That’s why I didn’t get your point.

                    That makes your meme a strawman since you attack something that no one said. The argument is “capitalism is natural” not “all life will end eventually”.