Biden’s poll numbers aren’t looking great at the moment. If any significant number of people that otherwise would have been Biden voters sit out the election, Biden loses. It doesn’t even have to be voters that had previously voted for him voting for Trump (which is unlikely, since Trump strongly supports Israel’s genocidal ambitions as well). They just have to… Not show up.
And yeah, a Biden loss would be far worse for the country–and for Palestinians, and for Ukranians–than a Biden win. But voters that feel ignored aren’t likely to care; after all, if you don’t feel like the president gives a shit about your views, then does it really matter which of the two shitty choices wins?
To be clear - I’m pissed at Dems. I’m angry that Biden isn’t being a lot more forceful about climate change, that he isn’t take a take-no-prisoners approach to Republicans’ nonsense over the budget, that he’s caving in to Israel, that he’s not sending Ukrain the weapons they need to drive Russia into the Pacific, and so much more. And yet, shit gets worse a lot faster under Trump. We need to turn around; Biden is gently tapping the brakes, and Trump would put a brick on the gas pedal.
Things are changing so fast. Before Gaza kicked off, I would have said it’s unlikely people were willingly to endure and fours years with the Orange Cancer. Now, I am not so sure. TBH if you dared have an opposing opinion about not supporting Israel, you were shouted down and called anti semite. I think the Democrats were taken by surprise by large swaths of the population that are against the extermination of a population. You can’t justify killing vulnerable unarmed citizens and children during a campaign. It would be a mistake for Biden to run again. Old rich people really do not give a fuck about outcomes… too insulated and really have nothing to lose. The common people will suffer for decades.
Why would anybody want the Orange Cancer, when the reality is that Palestine, Israel, Ukraine and the US all lose from that situation? Russia and Iran win. Is that really a valid strategy just to protest against Israel?
Are they aware that in doing so they will lose their democracy? Because if they are aware of that, I don’t see how sitting it out is morally defensible by any metric.
They keep us a dollar chasing the hamster wheel . We are so worried about barely affording housing and food, we can’t focus on anything but what’s in front of us. I was wondering today if I will see a reset in our democracy.
I am completely aware of that, and I’m hoping that things get fascist enough that it leads to a revolution. If not, I still have my “easy out” Nitrogen gas bag.
Even if leads to a revolution, the people opposed to fascism lose in a few days or weeks, because they’re the same people that have actively campaigned against the individual right to keep and bear arms for 40 years now. Dems refuse to accept that the freedoms they value are built on the willingness of the people–as a whole–to use violence as a tool. Republicans are more than happy to use violence to oppress.
The revolution used in your example, appears to rely on the division of repubs and dems. That isn’t the type of revolution I’m speaking of or the one that I want. I’m talking about that sweet class warfare baby. I want the one where the working class finally wakes up, realizes division is a submission tactic, the former pubs lend the former dems some firearms, and we all go hunt the wealthy. It would probably require +10 years of fascist rule though. Like enough fascism that it causes “good christian southern white folk” to go “what the fuck is going on?”
Now personally, if we can’t get our collective shit together, I’m probably gonna give myself the “ol curtain call” anywhere between 5-20 years from now (Depending on how terrible project 2025 turns out for my demographic). In the meantime, I do plan on obtaining a firearm, just in case we decide to eat the rich within that timeframe.
I want the one where the working class finally wakes up,
That is unlikely to happen. While I’ve certainly spoken to a number of younger people at shooting events that would agree that it’s a class issue rather than a left/right thing, most of the people that I’ve run across do not see it that way. They have the simple view, “Republican good, Demonrats bad”. (BTW, I do tend to vote Democratic, because there are many things that I value that the Dems at least say they’re in favor of, even if they usually don’t act. Lesser of two evils, etc.)
Like enough fascism that it causes “good christian southern white folk”
Uh. Who, exactly, do you think the fascists are? Odds are pretty good that if you’re in a white SBC church, any megachurch at all, TradCath, or some other similar trash, you’re probably rootin’ for the fascists. As the saying goes, there’s no hate like Christian love.
In the meantime, I do plan on obtaining a firearm,
I’m down with that. Take some classes, and take classes from people that have a solid track record as competitive shooters, not some old fudd that kisses the NRA’s ass. (Ben Stoeger is the gold standard for shooting instructors; if you’re LGBTQ+, check Operation Blazing Sword or The Pink Pistols for LGBTQ+ friendly instructors.) Practice and train regularly, and compete. You don’t git gud shooting at slow firing at paper targets; you get good by forcing yourself to shoot accurately while moving and on the clock. Steel challenge is a good place to start, and then USPSA and IDPA. You don’t need a gucci gun, you just need something that’s accurate and reliable. Glock is the standard for a reason; you can run them for thousands of rounds without cleaning, while race guns (like Staccato) need to be cleaned every 750-1000 rounds or else they start jamming badly. In fact, for IDPA, you can’t use the gucci-est of gucci race guns; production optics is as fancy as it goes, and you’re going to have to be able to conceal it. Get a carry permit; you don’t have to carry–I don’t, because I simply don’t need to–but having the permit and knowing the laws on when you can carry, and when you can legally use lethal self defense is generally a good idea.
…And then hope to fuck that we can hold it together as a country, and turn this shit around without a class war, because US Civil War Pt II would be the bloodiest war in human history, and the world that would emerge after that war isn’t one that I’d want to live in, regardless of who “won”.
Depends, do they want to contribute to even more genocide globally (how many Russians and Ukranians have died this week?) It seems imbalanced to life itself to risk way more lives globally in favor of one group on the planet. Does that seem incorrect?
I don’t think everyone thinks like that. Whatever choice that is fine with their thinking and how most likely they can benefit seems to be the default mode.
Let’s get real here.
Biden’s poll numbers aren’t looking great at the moment. If any significant number of people that otherwise would have been Biden voters sit out the election, Biden loses. It doesn’t even have to be voters that had previously voted for him voting for Trump (which is unlikely, since Trump strongly supports Israel’s genocidal ambitions as well). They just have to… Not show up.
And yeah, a Biden loss would be far worse for the country–and for Palestinians, and for Ukranians–than a Biden win. But voters that feel ignored aren’t likely to care; after all, if you don’t feel like the president gives a shit about your views, then does it really matter which of the two shitty choices wins?
To be clear - I’m pissed at Dems. I’m angry that Biden isn’t being a lot more forceful about climate change, that he isn’t take a take-no-prisoners approach to Republicans’ nonsense over the budget, that he’s caving in to Israel, that he’s not sending Ukrain the weapons they need to drive Russia into the Pacific, and so much more. And yet, shit gets worse a lot faster under Trump. We need to turn around; Biden is gently tapping the brakes, and Trump would put a brick on the gas pedal.
Things are changing so fast. Before Gaza kicked off, I would have said it’s unlikely people were willingly to endure and fours years with the Orange Cancer. Now, I am not so sure. TBH if you dared have an opposing opinion about not supporting Israel, you were shouted down and called anti semite. I think the Democrats were taken by surprise by large swaths of the population that are against the extermination of a population. You can’t justify killing vulnerable unarmed citizens and children during a campaign. It would be a mistake for Biden to run again. Old rich people really do not give a fuck about outcomes… too insulated and really have nothing to lose. The common people will suffer for decades.
Why would anybody want the Orange Cancer, when the reality is that Palestine, Israel, Ukraine and the US all lose from that situation? Russia and Iran win. Is that really a valid strategy just to protest against Israel?
You don’t think people won’t sit out an election because they don’t want to be associated with funding wholesale genocide?
Are they aware that in doing so they will lose their democracy? Because if they are aware of that, I don’t see how sitting it out is morally defensible by any metric.
What do you mean exactly when you say that they will lose their democracy?
Trp will pack the courts and they will complete the dismantling of the American Democratic institutions.
They keep us a dollar chasing the hamster wheel . We are so worried about barely affording housing and food, we can’t focus on anything but what’s in front of us. I was wondering today if I will see a reset in our democracy.
I am completely aware of that, and I’m hoping that things get fascist enough that it leads to a revolution. If not, I still have my “easy out” Nitrogen gas bag.
Even if leads to a revolution, the people opposed to fascism lose in a few days or weeks, because they’re the same people that have actively campaigned against the individual right to keep and bear arms for 40 years now. Dems refuse to accept that the freedoms they value are built on the willingness of the people–as a whole–to use violence as a tool. Republicans are more than happy to use violence to oppress.
The revolution used in your example, appears to rely on the division of repubs and dems. That isn’t the type of revolution I’m speaking of or the one that I want. I’m talking about that sweet class warfare baby. I want the one where the working class finally wakes up, realizes division is a submission tactic, the former pubs lend the former dems some firearms, and we all go hunt the wealthy. It would probably require +10 years of fascist rule though. Like enough fascism that it causes “good christian southern white folk” to go “what the fuck is going on?”
Now personally, if we can’t get our collective shit together, I’m probably gonna give myself the “ol curtain call” anywhere between 5-20 years from now (Depending on how terrible project 2025 turns out for my demographic). In the meantime, I do plan on obtaining a firearm, just in case we decide to eat the rich within that timeframe.
That is unlikely to happen. While I’ve certainly spoken to a number of younger people at shooting events that would agree that it’s a class issue rather than a left/right thing, most of the people that I’ve run across do not see it that way. They have the simple view, “Republican good, Demonrats bad”. (BTW, I do tend to vote Democratic, because there are many things that I value that the Dems at least say they’re in favor of, even if they usually don’t act. Lesser of two evils, etc.)
Uh. Who, exactly, do you think the fascists are? Odds are pretty good that if you’re in a white SBC church, any megachurch at all, TradCath, or some other similar trash, you’re probably rootin’ for the fascists. As the saying goes, there’s no hate like Christian love.
I’m down with that. Take some classes, and take classes from people that have a solid track record as competitive shooters, not some old fudd that kisses the NRA’s ass. (Ben Stoeger is the gold standard for shooting instructors; if you’re LGBTQ+, check Operation Blazing Sword or The Pink Pistols for LGBTQ+ friendly instructors.) Practice and train regularly, and compete. You don’t git gud shooting at slow firing at paper targets; you get good by forcing yourself to shoot accurately while moving and on the clock. Steel challenge is a good place to start, and then USPSA and IDPA. You don’t need a gucci gun, you just need something that’s accurate and reliable. Glock is the standard for a reason; you can run them for thousands of rounds without cleaning, while race guns (like Staccato) need to be cleaned every 750-1000 rounds or else they start jamming badly. In fact, for IDPA, you can’t use the gucci-est of gucci race guns; production optics is as fancy as it goes, and you’re going to have to be able to conceal it. Get a carry permit; you don’t have to carry–I don’t, because I simply don’t need to–but having the permit and knowing the laws on when you can carry, and when you can legally use lethal self defense is generally a good idea.
…And then hope to fuck that we can hold it together as a country, and turn this shit around without a class war, because US Civil War Pt II would be the bloodiest war in human history, and the world that would emerge after that war isn’t one that I’d want to live in, regardless of who “won”.
Depends, do they want to contribute to even more genocide globally (how many Russians and Ukranians have died this week?) It seems imbalanced to life itself to risk way more lives globally in favor of one group on the planet. Does that seem incorrect?
I don’t think everyone thinks like that. Whatever choice that is fine with their thinking and how most likely they can benefit seems to be the default mode.
I sure hope I’m wrong, but I think Biden is going to loose. It’s simply horrific.
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