I’m not going to talk about public transport because it ostensibly is an incredibly localised issue.
I will say that most liberals are definitely not opposed to measures to combat climate change, it’s just that those measures need to be sensible and realistic and most importantly costed.
I also have never met liberals that are opposed to regulation of fossil fuel industries, but again the measures need to be sensible as the world economy is still reliant on oil and gas.
Causing giant economic crashes is the absolute worst thing you can do to combat climate change. Money, whether you like it or not, rules the world and dictates what we can do. Good intentions can have bad outcomes, this is absolutely what many don’t understand.
I will say that most liberals are definitely not opposed to measures to combat climate change, it’s just that those measures need to be sensible and realistic and most importantly costed.
Please actually read what I’m writing. Because this is fully consistent with what I’m describing.
Liberals often support change in abstract, they like the goals. But then oppose any measures to accomplish it because those measures are not “sensible” to them.
Good intentions can have bad outcomes, this is absolutely what many don’t understand.
Stop assuming everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot. We don’t think you’re correct, that doesn’t mean that we don’t understand.
Oh piss right off. You ignore what I write and started ranting at me about entirely unrelated nonsense. And this entire conversation has been weirdly accusatory. I engaged with you honestly, but you clearly have a chip on your shoulder about leftists.
Which of course tracks 100% with my previous experience.
You stated it with the ad hominem attacks and the nastiness, just because of what you assumed I believed rather than actually what I believe.
This is what I mean, discourse is dead. I got dog piled for saying I’m less leftist than when I was younger, which is a cardinal sin in threads like this. Because people see things in black and white they think you’re basically Trump if you say something like that.
You stated it with the ad hominem attacks and the nastiness
Where? The harshest thing I said was asking you to actually read my comments.
And I’m going to do it again here because you seem to just be making up things that I haven’t written.
just because of what you assumed I believed rather than actually what I believe.
Buddy I do not want to hear that from you, after you just spat a rant at me about what leftists apparently believe.
This is what I mean, discourse is dead.
The discourse is dead because you aren’t reading what is written before responding.
I got dog piled for saying I’m less leftist than when I was younger, which is a cardinal sin in threads like this.
Criticism isn’t dogpiling. And exactly what did you expect? You responded to me in the first place with a message implying that leftists lack nuance and pragmatism.
The hell did you want? A pat on the back and a cookie? You picked an argument and you found it.
Because people see things in black and white they think you’re basically Trump if you say something like that.
Why is every message of yours an accusation of a lack of critical reasoning. Like buddy, people disagree with you. It doesn’t mean we’re incapable of critical thinking.
Maybe you should step out of your echo chamber and consider perspectives other than your own for once.
I’m not going to talk about public transport because it ostensibly is an incredibly localised issue.
I will say that most liberals are definitely not opposed to measures to combat climate change, it’s just that those measures need to be sensible and realistic and most importantly costed.
I also have never met liberals that are opposed to regulation of fossil fuel industries, but again the measures need to be sensible as the world economy is still reliant on oil and gas.
Causing giant economic crashes is the absolute worst thing you can do to combat climate change. Money, whether you like it or not, rules the world and dictates what we can do. Good intentions can have bad outcomes, this is absolutely what many don’t understand.
Please actually read what I’m writing. Because this is fully consistent with what I’m describing.
Liberals often support change in abstract, they like the goals. But then oppose any measures to accomplish it because those measures are not “sensible” to them.
Stop assuming everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot. We don’t think you’re correct, that doesn’t mean that we don’t understand.
Y’all are always so condescending.
Leftists are the most condescending and smug people around.
They disparage the proletariat as being brainwashed and infantilise them rather than just accepting the fact people think they’re dicks.
Whenever you respond to them they just tell you to read theory or gish gallop.
They oversimplify solutions. Left populism is absolutely dangerous to young people in this political climate.
Many are more concerned with out virtuing each other rather than constructing workable movements for change that being people along with them.
Good chat. Bye now.
Step outside of your echo chambers once in a while mate.
Oh piss right off. You ignore what I write and started ranting at me about entirely unrelated nonsense. And this entire conversation has been weirdly accusatory. I engaged with you honestly, but you clearly have a chip on your shoulder about leftists.
Which of course tracks 100% with my previous experience.
Insufferable, self-aggrandizing tool.
You stated it with the ad hominem attacks and the nastiness, just because of what you assumed I believed rather than actually what I believe.
This is what I mean, discourse is dead. I got dog piled for saying I’m less leftist than when I was younger, which is a cardinal sin in threads like this. Because people see things in black and white they think you’re basically Trump if you say something like that.
Where? The harshest thing I said was asking you to actually read my comments.
And I’m going to do it again here because you seem to just be making up things that I haven’t written.
Buddy I do not want to hear that from you, after you just spat a rant at me about what leftists apparently believe.
The discourse is dead because you aren’t reading what is written before responding.
Criticism isn’t dogpiling. And exactly what did you expect? You responded to me in the first place with a message implying that leftists lack nuance and pragmatism.
The hell did you want? A pat on the back and a cookie? You picked an argument and you found it.
Why is every message of yours an accusation of a lack of critical reasoning. Like buddy, people disagree with you. It doesn’t mean we’re incapable of critical thinking.
Maybe you should step out of your echo chamber and consider perspectives other than your own for once.
Dogpilijg is dogpiling. If you don’t assume the most leftist position possible in the thread you get dogpiled to fuck. Are you actually blind?
Why are you so threatened by me?