• EdibleFriend@lemmy.world
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    It was a total mess of a situation with no 100% morally correct solution. I think she did the closest to the right thing though.

    Related…I don’t understand the hate this episode gets. Treck is at its Treckiest when it’s weird future moral dilemmas.

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    I never understood how transporters are not basically used as quicksave devices. Redshirt died on the planet after beaming down? Just create another copy from the transporter puffer. Tuvix deserves to live. Sure, just recreate tuvok and Neelix from the transporter puffer.

    Edit: “Transporter puffer” may come from me watching the German dub

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      The cannon answer is that it doesn’t work that way, it coverts you to energy and that energy is turned back into you so “nothing changes”. In cannon it doesn’t kill you and assemble a new copy, and you can’t duplicate a person because you only have one copy of their energy.

      Accidents like Thomas Riker are not supposed to be possible and only happen when they encounter strange energies which cause reactions that aren’t understood, so they can’t just make duplicates on demand.

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        The transporter doesn’t work this way

        Sometimes it does but that doesn’t count because it’s not supposed to work this way

        Just ignore it

        Your soul is already lost to the warp.

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        I’m pretty sure even in Voyager there was an incident where someone got stuck in the transporter puffer/cache/whatever it’s called in the og

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          Off hand I actually can’t think of any, aside from as close as Tuvix got.

          There was the episode where the population of Neelix’s home planet were revealed to be in some kind of particle limbo from a Star Trekium powered super weapon and a scientist was trying, unsuccessfully to restore them.

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      They don’t create matter, they create an energy matter stream that moves the person molecule by molecule. How it happens is scifi magic, but it’s not the same as creating new atoms, which would require every replicator to have the energy to obliterate a planet.

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        Replicators can make more than enough food to feed the ship.

        Why not use some of those atoms to reconstruct victims of unfortunate accidents? If there’s not enough, why not pack enough?

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    The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

    Tuvix needs to continue existing.

    Tuvok and Neelix need to exist again outweighing Tuvix’s need

    The crew needs to be saved from Neelix’s cooking and general incompetence, which have proved to be a more consistent threat than the borg. Thus, Tuvok and Neelix’s needs are outweighed.

    Janeway needs Tuvok to be there to talk her out of doing impulsive things like starting wars, causing civilizations to fall, buttfucking the timeline, or murdering crew members. This effects whole worlds, so the needs of the crew are outweighed.

    They once showed Neelix taking a bath, and there is a chance (however small) that he might do it again. The audience’s need to not risk seeing that outweighs all the previous needs.

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      Duplicate Tuvix, divide the duplicate at the moment it is formed and before it achieves self awareness, execute Neelix. What’s the issue?

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    I’m someone who believes Janeway made the right choice.

    I mean… I’ll leave if you want…

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      Of course Janeway made the right choice. Anyone who says otherwise is either trolling or sexist. No one would care if it was Picard splitting Guiker or Sisko splitting Quira.

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        Picard would have justified his choice. Janeway didn’t even try.

        That’s not an indictment of Janeway, but of the lazy writers of that episode.

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    Tuvix was an atrocity and extinguishing it would have been morally correct even if it had not resulted in numerically more living beings.

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    Look, there’s no way Tuvok didn’t have “under no circumstances is my body, my mind, my soul, my organs, my DNA, or any products thereof to be integrated into any form, permutation, or byproduct of Nelix” in his last will and testament. Therefore, Tuvix had to go.

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    If only they could recreate the transporter accident that makes a perfect copy of a person. Then all that has to happen is to take the clone and split it before it realizes anything.

    That way EVERYONE could exist together.

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    I think tuvix was asking for it. Remember that time he swapped out Janeway’s bra for a slightly smaller one. And it irritated her to the point she committed genocide on the breegans. He knew what was coming.

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    Lol, so given the basic trolley dilemma, you just gon run over as many as you can. In this case 2.