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    It’s possible for more than one thing to be true at the same time.

    It’s true that Hamas is a terrorist organization, yes.

    However it’s also true that the Israeli government is undertaking actions which are fitting for a genocidal, fascist government. Do you seriously thing that their 24 hour evacuation notice sent to an excess of 1 million people who had/have no power, water, heat, or communications is reasonable?

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      You throw around genocide as to make it completely meaningless.

      Usually when a country goes to war they do not give any warning whatsoever

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          Yeah they are. First of all pals aren’t a race, they are arabs and there are hundreds of millions of arbas.

          Secondly the causality in this conflict are in no way ‘genocidal’ even if you were to consider pals a race. They’ve been given warning to flee the fighting, it’s simply a term being used as propaganda, 'the genocide of children '…

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            Palestinians are Palestinians. They are an ethnicity where a large group shares religion, culture, and language.

            And Israel is genocidal. It’s ethnically cleansing a group of people for who they are.

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              They’re not being killed because of who they are, they are being killed because they launched a war. They are ‘genocidal’ against Jews, it says openly in their charter.

              You can look back at history and see Israel has been willing to live in peace with pals, offered numerous states, arabs live freely in Israel, pals have waged war against any Jewish presence in the land, they are genocidal.

              Israel is giving notice before they attack to flea, the pals intentionally target civilians. Of course the people attacking civilians are going to lie about everything. It is the most pathetic and disgusting people

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            “gen·o·cide [ˈjenəˌsīd] NOUN the deliberate killing or severe mistreatment of a large number of people from a particular national or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.”

            Genocide has never been about race. Many of the historic genocides have been commited by people of the same race just another distant group in that race.

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                  Hamas is the elected gov of gaza, they have broad support, it is true that not everyone supports them and obviously they are coercive

                  So why doesn’t the world unite against Hamas ?

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                    Last election was in 2006, and Gaza is essentially full of children. Like about 50% of them are not fully developed adults (25+).

                    I do agree that the world should unite against Hamas. Palestinians should be supported though.

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            Uh… I know this is too much for your brain to comprehend, but Arabs (the race) are only people from the Arab peninsula. Palestinians, along with Jordanians and the like, are Levantine, a completely different ethnic group.

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            They’re not trapped… Egypt traps them

            The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one. Which is it, are they trapped or not?

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              They can’t go into Israel because they are murderous terrorists. There is no reason they can’t go into Egypt. If they broke into Egypt the egyptians would kill all of them and no one would complain.

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                There is no reason they can’t go into Egypt.

                If they broke into Egypt the egyptians would kill all of them

                🤦‍♂️I can’t believe you’ve been internally inconsistent twice in a row after it being pointed out.

                Let me get this straight: Every, single, person in the Gaza strip is a terrorist, and they are simultaneously not trapped, and if they try to leave they would be killed.

                Pro tip: say things back to yourself once before saying them. Just to make sure they’re not dumb.

                The cognitive dissonance you have is mind-blowing (this means you think conflicting things to justify your hateful beliefs)

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                  Your either slow or being obtuse.

                  The pals would like to go to Egypt, Egypt won’t let them in, if pals tried to force their way in Egypt would kill them because they don’t want them. How hard is that to understand ?

                  Do you have another explanation for why pals aren’t going to Egypt? I remember a couple of weeks ago there was a lie that Israel bombed the rafah crossing but it was made up like everything else. So what’s your answer ?

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                    Your either slow or being obtuse.

                    The projection is strong with this one.

                    So what’s your answer ?

                    What’s your answer? You’re saying they aren’t allowed in Israel, can’t go to Egypt or they’ll get killed, and if they stay where they are they’re going to get bombed.

                    Where are they supposed to go?

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        Would you rather I call it by some fluffy, feel-good term like special operation? Elimination of the enemy? Opening a retaliatory assault on the Gaza strip while running a propaganda campaign aligning Hamas with groups like Isis or the Nazis, and portraying the Palestinian people as wholly supporting Hamas does nothing but provide justification for civilian casualties.

        You are correct that a country may not normally provide advance warning of assault, however an unreasonable warning is as good as no warning and again, only serves to justify the deaths of any innocents that weren’t able to evacuate in time.

        Israel has one of the best special forces units on earth, total control of what comes in and out of the strip, and the funding of the world’s second largest military, and you seriously believe they need to commit to clicking the delete button on the Gaza strip to remove a militant group from an area smaller than new york?

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          Several days of warning is more than sufficient, most people have in fact evacuated.

          Israel does not control everything as you can see Hamas has thousands of rockets despite Israels efforts.

          If pals indiscriminately fire rockets, the fact Israel doesn’t indiscriminately fire rockets is restraint. There are conflicts like this all of the Mideast and the reason they don’t fire rockets into Saudi arabia or syria is because they would kill them by the millions.

          Hamas has broad support from pals, but if they don’t then what is your issue in the war to remove them ?