Do you realise most Palestinians living in gaza prefer an even more radical political party ? Hamas is progressive for Palestine.
Hamas has at least sometimes opened up to a two state solution. Most Palestinians would prefer that Israel disappeared.
None of that means that civilians should die or that war crimes and annexation should be committed by the state of Israel. But it’s just plain false to say that the actions of Hamas are unsupported by the Palestinians. Just like there are plenty of genocidal maniacs in Israel there are plenty of genocidal maniacs in Palestine.
That said Israel is the occupying force, they should be held to a higher standard than Hamas and so far they have failed, managing to kill even more civilians.
Edit: wrote west bank instead of Gaza, brain fart.
I gave the other poll as it showed the impact of the war on Hamas popularity.
Hamas is popular in Palestine and other more radical parties are even more popular. There doesn’t need to be a conspiracy for Hamas to exist, religion + an Apartheid state right next door is enough.
Do you realise most Palestinians living in the west bank prefer an even more radical political party ? Hamas is progressive for Palestine.
This is the exact opposite of the truth.
Hamas was formed because they believed the Abbas-led government was too secular and willing to work with Israel. Hamas wants to create a hardline Muslim caliphate.
I gave the polls, you can look at the Fatah party to see how popular the Abbas led government is. Historically you are right, but right now Palestinians are not looking for peaceful solutions. I think Israel made them understand that they would be slowly annexed.
Edit: also I’d recommend reading the two state section of the Wikipedia article on Hamas.
I mean, at this point, they don’t really have any self determination, so it doesn’t change anything.
In the end, all this conflict is going to end up with Israel taking even more land away from the Gaza strip regardless of how many Palestinians are further slummed into the south, and the 24/7 news cycle will make a transient hub-bub about it, and then the new borders will become the status quo.
Nobody can vote in Gaza. But saying that Hamas was created and financed by Israel when their ideas are clearly popular is ridiculous.
You can say that Israel caused this mess by annexing Palestine. By putting an effective regime of Apartheid. But saying that Hamas or their actions are not popular among the general population is false.
Do you realise most Palestinians living in gaza prefer an even more radical political party ? Hamas is progressive for Palestine.
Hamas has at least sometimes opened up to a two state solution. Most Palestinians would prefer that Israel disappeared.
None of that means that civilians should die or that war crimes and annexation should be committed by the state of Israel. But it’s just plain false to say that the actions of Hamas are unsupported by the Palestinians. Just like there are plenty of genocidal maniacs in Israel there are plenty of genocidal maniacs in Palestine.
That said Israel is the occupying force, they should be held to a higher standard than Hamas and so far they have failed, managing to kill even more civilians.
Edit: wrote west bank instead of Gaza, brain fart.
And what is that more radical political party?
Palestinian Islamic Jihad which polled at 72% against 43% for Hamas.
That said Hamas is becoming more popular now that they have caused his mayhem. They may become once again the most popular party.
https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87
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Hamas’s popularity or not is irrelevant, since the IDF has stated they are going to eliminate Hamas entirely, and is absolutely poised to do that.
Whether you agree with it or not, Hamas is unlikely to exist by 2024.
I can’t find those numbers in the link you posted. Can you show me with a screenshot?
Shared that last one as it was more recent but I was citing this one from memory:
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/sites/default/files/2023-10/Screenshot 2023-10-10 175617.png
Could you list the actual survey and what their sample size was rather than just a picture?
And so you took numbers from two different sources and conflated them into a single statement. I don’t think that’s logical nor well done, tbh.
You were asking for a picture I gave you a picture.
Here’s the methodology : https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah
I gave the other poll as it showed the impact of the war on Hamas popularity.
Hamas is popular in Palestine and other more radical parties are even more popular. There doesn’t need to be a conspiracy for Hamas to exist, religion + an Apartheid state right next door is enough.
You originally said:
But the report you gave me now is about opinions in Gaza and not the West Bank.
Yup that’s a mistake dunno why I talked about the west bank when Fatah is the governing body there.
Thanks for the correction.
This is the exact opposite of the truth.
Hamas was formed because they believed the Abbas-led government was too secular and willing to work with Israel. Hamas wants to create a hardline Muslim caliphate.
I gave the polls, you can look at the Fatah party to see how popular the Abbas led government is. Historically you are right, but right now Palestinians are not looking for peaceful solutions. I think Israel made them understand that they would be slowly annexed.
Edit: also I’d recommend reading the two state section of the Wikipedia article on Hamas.
This is incredibly unfortunate for them
I mean, at this point, they don’t really have any self determination, so it doesn’t change anything.
In the end, all this conflict is going to end up with Israel taking even more land away from the Gaza strip regardless of how many Palestinians are further slummed into the south, and the 24/7 news cycle will make a transient hub-bub about it, and then the new borders will become the status quo.
Your first paragraph is correct. Your second is not.
Do you realize half the people in gaza are children? They cant even vote. So statements like yours are absolutely senseless.
Nobody can vote in Gaza. But saying that Hamas was created and financed by Israel when their ideas are clearly popular is ridiculous.
You can say that Israel caused this mess by annexing Palestine. By putting an effective regime of Apartheid. But saying that Hamas or their actions are not popular among the general population is false.
This is because Hamas ended elections.
Yes
Aside from Israel admitting they let Hamas rise to power to eliminate their enemies without actually being linked to them… Sure I guess?
It’s well known that Netanyahu wanted the secular faction weakened and had funded Hamas to do it. The Mossad also begged Qatar to fund Hamas.
When Palestinians see their children and friends being blown to peices, you must understand they will flock to whatever protects them.
You should do some reading before going off, because Bibi literally funded Hamas. Look it up yourself.
When I look that claim up I find people on social media endlessly repeating it. Without a source.
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/