And when the bible says all homosexuals must be killed, what metaphor is that? Or is it missed context?
The only time that’s mentioned is once in Leviticus, and was specific to the ancient Israelites under the Mosaic law. Other things that were punishable by death were: adultery, blasphemy, idolatry, witchcraft, woman marrying and falsely claiming to be a virgin, sleeping with an engaged women, etc. At that time the term “Jew” was both cultural and religious, there was no difference. If you were a Jew (an Israelite) then you were under that law.
Without getting too much into it, the Bible says that Mosaic law is superceded by the Law Covenant at the time of Jesus’ death, and thus is no longer in affect.
The Bible further elaborates about how we should treat anyone.
Josiah 24:15 - “Now if it seems bad to you to serve Jehovah, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve, whether the gods that your forefathers served on the other side of the River or the gods of the Amʹor·ites in whose land you are dwelling. But as for me and my household, we will serve Jehovah.”
If you don’t want to follow the Bible or serve Jehovah, you are free to do so, and no one can make you (according to the Bible itself, but obviously that hasn’t stopped things like the Crusades).
1 Peter 2:17 - “Honor men of all sorts”
Pretty cut and dry.
The reason I ignored this topic before is because it has absolutely nothing to do with the original discussion, which was “the Bible does not teach torture”. I haven’t even been advocating the Bible, only talking about that one topic. But like all people who either can’t admit being wrong, or are wilfully ignorant and obstinate, you completely disregarded everything I’ve said and keep going on about other things in the Bible.
I tend to do that when the person I’m arguing against supports such despicable things.
Ah, so if I said “everyone deserves respect” you would argue in favour of treating everyone terribly?
I looked up dan carlin and he has a some christian podcast called Word Christian Fellowship podcast. But sure, not religious or bias.
Like I said, if you knew his content from Hardcore History, any of it, you would understand how ridiculous your statement is. But just wait until you find out that some of the greatest minds regarded in science were Christian and believed in God.
Unable to be objective by agreeing with you that slavery was a good thing? Are you listening to yourself?
Are you genuinely still asserting that I ever said “slavery was a good thing”? At this point you’re either just a troll or just really thick.
Are you his publicist or something? You’re trying really hard so sell his stuff.
No. I suggested his stuff once, and then just kept laughing (not mockingly, I genuinely found it funny) at how absurd your attempts to discredit Hardcore History is, based purely on your bias towards me.
I think plenty of people would prefer to be poor and free then to be fed and a slave.
And I’m pretty sure no one ever wants to be poor in the first place. But if wishes were horses…
But if you think otherwise, would you be in favor of putting all homeless and poor people in involuntary servitude?
The sad thing is that you might actually think I believe that, despite every rational attempt at genuine dialogue on my part. Makes me wonder if you even read everything that I wrote, and have just been assuming.
And then of course there’s all the homophobia in the bible
The Bible says homosexuality is displeasing to God because it’s not how he intended romantic relationships to be. But it also says sex (of any kind) outside of marriage is also not ok. The big factor that people miss is that the Bible says to “hate what is bad”, it never says “hate who is bad”. You can hate the things someone does, but you should always treat them with respect, and even to love them as your neighbour.
But all of this is really relevant to the discussion about slavery in the Bible, right? It doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that you can’t argue the topic about slavery in the Bible on its own merit, is it?
Surely you wouldn’t try to discredit the source material in order to undermine your opponents arguments. Not you, never.
Anyways, I’m done with this discussion. You can reply if you like. I’ll read it, but I won’t reply if you keep misrepresenting what I’ve said and try to put words in my mouth. If you don’t, then I’m willing to continue.
But otherwise I’ll say nice chatting with you, and take care.
Without getting too much into it, the Bible says that Mosaic law is superceded by the Law Covenant at the time of Jesus’ death, and thus is no longer in affect.
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”
Matthew 5:17–18
It’s still in effect according to your prophet and the son of your god, but you surely know more than him.
The reason I ignored this topic before is because it has absolutely nothing to do with the original discussion, which was “the Bible does not teach torture”.
You said: “The Bible doesn’t teach dominating and torturing people, for one.”
I gave to plenty of evidence, from the bible directly, that it teaches dominating and torturing people, you just choose to disregard facts because it does not agree with your narrative, which seems to be an epidemic with you religious types.
Ah, so if I said “everyone deserves respect” you would argue in favour of treating everyone terribly?
That (unlike slavery) is not a despicable things, so I won’t argue against it. Maybe try understanding my argument before trying (and failing) to come up with a snappy reply.
Like I said, if you knew his content from Hardcore History, any of it, you would understand how ridiculous your statement is.
Again, I won’t buy any of his content. I don’t care for slavery apoligists.
But just wait until you find out that some of the greatest minds regarded in science were Christian and believed in God.
I’m keenly aware that christians forced their religion on everybody they could when it was acceptable. Thankfully, it’s less acceptable now, but we still have ways to go. Thanks for reminding me how christianity pushed back the progess of science and humanity by centuries.
Are you genuinely still asserting that I ever said “slavery was a good thing”? At this point you’re either just a troll or just really thick.
You did quote the wikipedia article that said that…
No. I suggested his stuff once, and then just kept laughing (not mockingly, I genuinely found it funny) at how absurd your attempts to discredit Hardcore History is, based purely on your bias towards me.
I looked up his name and his christian podcast came up, I went to his website where he is selling is podcast episodes.
I didn’t need to discredit him, he did that all on his own.
The sad thing is that you might actually think I believe that,
So you just argue for this you don’t belive in and agree with?
This is you, by the way:
Is it a good thing that people go on welfare, or is it preferable to starving? Again, this is where we get into the definition of the word. Think about it, how would it be preferable to be mistreated, beaten, and abused?
The Bible says homosexuality is displeasing to God because it’s not how he intended romantic relationships to be.
And he is a homophobe as well, what a surprise…
It doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that you can’t argue the topic about slavery in the Bible on its own merit, is it?
I would think you really didn’t need to argue the fact that slavery is a bad thing, but the bible and you seem to disagree.
The arguments was about if the bible teaches to dominate and torture people, by the way, not just about slavery.
I just though that you’d agree that slavery counted as dominating and torturing people. How wrong I was.
Surely you wouldn’t try to discredit the source material in order to undermine your opponents arguments. Not you, never.
Well, if the “source material” is a supposedly supernatural book and religion, and a pastor’s podcast for that religion, I really don’t need to undermine it, it already undermined itself.
I’ll read it, but I won’t reply if you keep misrepresenting what I’ve said and try to put words in my mouth.
How brave of you to leave an argument you lost.
I don’t misrepresent what you said, you’re just insinuating I did, becuase you realized your arguments sound really bad when you put them out there.
The only time that’s mentioned is once in Leviticus, and was specific to the ancient Israelites under the Mosaic law. Other things that were punishable by death were: adultery, blasphemy, idolatry, witchcraft, woman marrying and falsely claiming to be a virgin, sleeping with an engaged women, etc. At that time the term “Jew” was both cultural and religious, there was no difference. If you were a Jew (an Israelite) then you were under that law.
Without getting too much into it, the Bible says that Mosaic law is superceded by the Law Covenant at the time of Jesus’ death, and thus is no longer in affect.
The Bible further elaborates about how we should treat anyone.
Josiah 24:15 - “Now if it seems bad to you to serve Jehovah, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve, whether the gods that your forefathers served on the other side of the River or the gods of the Amʹor·ites in whose land you are dwelling. But as for me and my household, we will serve Jehovah.”
If you don’t want to follow the Bible or serve Jehovah, you are free to do so, and no one can make you (according to the Bible itself, but obviously that hasn’t stopped things like the Crusades).
1 Peter 2:17 - “Honor men of all sorts”
Pretty cut and dry.
The reason I ignored this topic before is because it has absolutely nothing to do with the original discussion, which was “the Bible does not teach torture”. I haven’t even been advocating the Bible, only talking about that one topic. But like all people who either can’t admit being wrong, or are wilfully ignorant and obstinate, you completely disregarded everything I’ve said and keep going on about other things in the Bible.
Ah, so if I said “everyone deserves respect” you would argue in favour of treating everyone terribly?
Like I said, if you knew his content from Hardcore History, any of it, you would understand how ridiculous your statement is. But just wait until you find out that some of the greatest minds regarded in science were Christian and believed in God.
Are you genuinely still asserting that I ever said “slavery was a good thing”? At this point you’re either just a troll or just really thick.
No. I suggested his stuff once, and then just kept laughing (not mockingly, I genuinely found it funny) at how absurd your attempts to discredit Hardcore History is, based purely on your bias towards me.
And I’m pretty sure no one ever wants to be poor in the first place. But if wishes were horses…
The sad thing is that you might actually think I believe that, despite every rational attempt at genuine dialogue on my part. Makes me wonder if you even read everything that I wrote, and have just been assuming.
The Bible says homosexuality is displeasing to God because it’s not how he intended romantic relationships to be. But it also says sex (of any kind) outside of marriage is also not ok. The big factor that people miss is that the Bible says to “hate what is bad”, it never says “hate who is bad”. You can hate the things someone does, but you should always treat them with respect, and even to love them as your neighbour.
But all of this is really relevant to the discussion about slavery in the Bible, right? It doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that you can’t argue the topic about slavery in the Bible on its own merit, is it?
Surely you wouldn’t try to discredit the source material in order to undermine your opponents arguments. Not you, never.
Anyways, I’m done with this discussion. You can reply if you like. I’ll read it, but I won’t reply if you keep misrepresenting what I’ve said and try to put words in my mouth. If you don’t, then I’m willing to continue.
But otherwise I’ll say nice chatting with you, and take care.
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”
Matthew 5:17–18
It’s still in effect according to your prophet and the son of your god, but you surely know more than him.
You said: “The Bible doesn’t teach dominating and torturing people, for one.”
I gave to plenty of evidence, from the bible directly, that it teaches dominating and torturing people, you just choose to disregard facts because it does not agree with your narrative, which seems to be an epidemic with you religious types.
That (unlike slavery) is not a despicable things, so I won’t argue against it. Maybe try understanding my argument before trying (and failing) to come up with a snappy reply.
Again, I won’t buy any of his content. I don’t care for slavery apoligists.
I’m keenly aware that christians forced their religion on everybody they could when it was acceptable. Thankfully, it’s less acceptable now, but we still have ways to go. Thanks for reminding me how christianity pushed back the progess of science and humanity by centuries.
You did quote the wikipedia article that said that…
I looked up his name and his christian podcast came up, I went to his website where he is selling is podcast episodes.
I didn’t need to discredit him, he did that all on his own.
So you just argue for this you don’t belive in and agree with?
This is you, by the way:
And he is a homophobe as well, what a surprise…
I would think you really didn’t need to argue the fact that slavery is a bad thing, but the bible and you seem to disagree.
The arguments was about if the bible teaches to dominate and torture people, by the way, not just about slavery.
I just though that you’d agree that slavery counted as dominating and torturing people. How wrong I was.
Well, if the “source material” is a supposedly supernatural book and religion, and a pastor’s podcast for that religion, I really don’t need to undermine it, it already undermined itself.
How brave of you to leave an argument you lost.
I don’t misrepresent what you said, you’re just insinuating I did, becuase you realized your arguments sound really bad when you put them out there.