Reddit has started removing moderator teams managing subreddits that switched the labeling on their communities to Not Safe For Work (NSFW) in the latest protests against the site. In addition to applying an age gate for desktop viewers and restricting access on mobile devices to logged-in users in the Reddit app, Reddit also doesn’t show ads on subreddits tagged NSFW. This cuts into its ability to monetize them, which is a major part of Reddit’s disputed push to charge apps for using the API.
CEO Steve Huffman told me in an interview last week, “90-plus percent of Reddit users are on our platform, contributing, and are monetized either through ads or Reddit Premium. Why would we subsidize this small group? Why would we effectively pay them to use Reddit but not everybody else who also contributes to Reddit?”
“Moderators incorrectly marking a community as NSFW is a violation of both our Content Policy and Moderator Code of Conduct,” Reddit spokesperson Tim Rathschmidt said to The Verge. He declined to comment when asked if Reddit removed the mods.
According to a post in r/ModCoord (moderator coordination), moderators of r/MildlyInteresting moved forward on Tuesday with changing the sub to NSFW after a user vote. In making that change, r/MildlyInteresting followed the steps of other subreddits that went NSFW recently, including r/interestingasfuck and r/TIHI (Thanks I Hate It).
However, according to the now-former r/MildlyInteresting mod that wrote the post, just after they switched the subreddit over, they were logged out of their account and locked out. It quickly became clear that Reddit-employed administrators (as opposed to the mods, who don’t work for Reddit) were involved:
Following this, another mod posted our update instead. Right after, the u/ModCodeofConduct [a Reddit admin account] account removed the post and flipped the sub back to restricted instead of public. Then, the second moderator was also logged out of their account and locked out. Other mods tried to re-approve the post, one of them was promptly logged out and locked out as well.
After that, according to the former r/MildlyInteresting mod, the entire mod team was removed from the subreddit. As I write this, r/MildlyInteresting, which has more than 22 million subscribers, says it is currently unmoderated. The mod says the entire team received a 7-day suspension.
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It’s apparently not just r/MildlyInteresting. Subs including r/interestingasfuck (11 million subscribers), r/TIHI (1.7 million subscribers), and r/ShittyLifeProTips (1.6 million subscribers), which had all gone NSFW or loosened their rules, are currently unmoderated.
Removal of mods is perhaps Reddit’s biggest action yet against its moderators, who are unpaid volunteers that sometimes dedicate years of their lives to managing these communities. Some mods said they felt threatened by messages sent by the company last week indicating it would unseat moderators who didn’t work to reopen their communities, and now that it’s a reality, the effects on those communities could be massive.
So the only real way to fight the Reddit admins is to leave the site… Too bad the apathetic make up the vast majority of users, so there won’t be a mass exodus like Digg.
Do we really want a bunch of apathetic consumers anyway?
I view this as an 80/20 problem. 80% of users don’t post content, 20% post AND care about the platform they post to.
The 20% are mostly here.
I say let them eat the advertisements and our memes a week or two after we post.
I was primarily a lurker on reddit, but cared very much about the community and have left because of it. I really should become more active here, to be a better part of the community.
Anyway, long story short, I’m sure there are lurkers that care and will be/have already migrated.
Can confirm, I’m a lurker who cares and has migrated here.
Well, I was more of a lurker the last few years because reddit was slowly sliding into Facebook territory and it annoyed me but I couldn’t stop scrolling anyway. Spez’s actions were the push I needed to delete my almost 10 year old account the first day of the protest and every day since just reinforces how good of a decision that was.
Now to remember how to interact instead of just scroll…
Right, once you start lurking it’s a hard habit to break isn’t it? I thought reddit was worse but still wanted something to scroll in lines or for niche content. Now I have Lemmy!
YES YOU DO
Are you serious? You want all the users you can get who will vote and/or comment. That’s what makes content successful, engagement, in one form or another. This isn’t your own private club, if we want this thing to become successful we want as many reddit refugees as we can get.
No, I don’t.
If I did I would abandon my morals and crawl back into reddit.
Quality>Quantity Always.
My thinking is if you are looking for profitability through eyes on content (ads), then yes. However, I feel content creators are probably higher quality lurkers and I trust their upvotes and downvotes more.
You’re right, this isn’t a private club it’s an open community. I’m not so sure simply having more upvotes makes content successful. I don’t see the correlation between popularity and quality of content. If our content is good, we’ll attract the right community.
I’m doing my part!
While having more users to engage with- even if it’s just for views and upvotes- is a good thing, I don’t think that the “apathetic users” should be the priority or are as important as the active content creators.
Those that don’t care about Reddit’s practices will continue to stick with them, rather than jump ship to a platform that doesn’t have as much content. For most of us already here, we don’t mind having less content, if it means being able to improve in other areas like thoughtful discussion and escaping the Reddit overhead. For those that don’t care about either, they’re not going to be convinced unless there’s the promise of a more enjoyable, casual experience.
There really is only two options then. Either make those people care, or create better content than Reddit to reel them in. The first has already been tried, since the blackout and the infographics spread as much awareness as possible throughout the Reddit community as a whole. For those that are still on Reddit, the only option left is the second one. There’s content there that they want that they’ll lose by switching to another platform, or they’re too accustomed to Reddit to want to make the switch.
This is where the 80/20 comes in, as YeetPics mentioned. The 20% provide the exact thing the 80% are after. If most of the 20% come here, then many in the 80% will follow. So by prioritizing bringing over the people who care about their platform and make content, you’ll by extension win over the more apathetic users anyways.
Everyone should be the priority, you can get both at the same time. Saying you don’t want [x] users is just some cliquey bs
I never did think of that angle, you are probably correct.
Ain’t nothing wrong with being a Reddit lurker and just enjoying the show.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with lurking.
My point is that lurkers don’t create content. The content is what makes reddit want an IPO, and why they’re fucking with API pricing.
Edit: forgot a letter
The apathetic make up the userbase, the dedicated make up their content-generation.
Reddit is dead. You gotta move on.
Reddit was dead to me the second RiF announced they’d be shutting down. The RiF app IS reddit to me. I don’t go to it on desktop.
Apollo and Sync are both going to basically switch their apps over to RSS feeds they collect.
I imagine other devs will get similar ideas.
Interesting idea. Hopefully the people that use those apps will enjoy the new way they’re forced to show content. I think I’ll just go other places nowadays tho (until I need to google some niche, specific question of course lol)
Really? I thought Christian was done. I haven’t seen anything about him making changes to Apollo’s architecture or opening the source code.
This. I keep seeing Reddit talk shit on the “2% of power users” like it’s the 50% who doesn’t make an account or 20% who exclusively lurk are going to make and moderate the content with that 2% gone.
He’s working with Musk now, so really just expect another far right terrorism paradise because taking $5/mo to chase off the libs is easier than dealing with users asking them to make their shit work.
It’s very obvious Musk is taking shots at Insta/Facebook/WhatsApp and ESPECIALLY reddit
Honestly I think it might just happen. A lot of dedicated users will follow their communities over once they are banned/mods removed, and once that begins traction will take over. I think the great Reddit migration is here! Well I’m hoping anyways lol.