Hello World,
Today, after careful consideration and evaluation of recent events, we have decided to defederate from Lemmygrad.
Regrettably, we have observed a significant increase in hate speech and calls to violence originating from the Lemmygrad instance. Due to the severity of the posts and comments, we are not waiting for the next Lemmy update that will allow users to block instances.
At Lemmy.world, we have always strived to foster an inclusive and welcoming user environment. However, recent posts and comments from Lemmygrad have clearly violated our server rules and, more importantly, our core values. We firmly believe that hate speech and incitement of violence have no place in our community, regardless of personal beliefs or affiliations.
As always, we encourage all users to report any content they deem inappropriate or harmful. No matter one’s stance in any conflict, Lemmy.world will always take immediate action to remove and ban any posts or comments that incite violence or propagate hatred.
We encourage everyone to continue engaging in discussions within the boundaries of respect and understanding. As we move forward with this decision, we remain committed to providing all community members with a safe and welcoming space. We appreciate your continued support and cooperation in upholding our shared principles.
Thank you,
The Lemmy.World Team
Doubt this will even reach anyone but if it does take this however you will and downvote me into the cellar, but I think the popularly interpreted definition of hate speech is way too broad. Commentary can be abhorrent and repulsive without being defined as hate speech. I find it far more important and rewarding to try to engage with people in their extreme stances, and try to find common logical ground to allow their own brains to start moving them away from their loathsome point of views. It may not always work, but it’s the only way we actually bring people back into the land of reasonable once again. Conversations with reformed people from QANON and COVID deniers and flat earthers and January 6 MAGA marchers that came back to the sane side, revealed they were engaged by family that didnt drive them deeper into the divide and into the arms of the cult, and approached them from a place of love and concern.
A great quote from comedian Doug Stanhope: If you never leave your house, the current climate is whatever you set your fucking thermostat to last. It’s why so many younger people today are offended by things that weren’t intended to be offensive by its author in the first place. It’s hard to have empathy for another point of view that’s just curious or a bit of a hot take if you never hear anything outside of your point of view over your whole lifetime, and assume everyone is familiar inside your echo chamber and know what frequencies shatter the glass. A conversation would have perhaps worked out the misunderstanding, perhaps even lead to an apology and an ally. Ignoring things you disagree with just leads to much bigger problems down the road because we all live on the same earth. You ignore them until they elect Boris or Trump and then it’s all our problem.
Editing your comment to enlarge the text of the Doug Stanhope quote isn’t going to magically make more people consider what he said. It just makes your comment look obnoxious.
I didn’t do that on purpose, I assure you. Why are you assuming that in the first place? This is part of the issue, of giving people the benefit of the doubt before engaging with conversation. Perhaps it’s the lemmy app I’m using. I’m trying to edit it down now.
EDIT: I hit a button on the markup tab. A bunch of underscores at the end of the post did it. Entirely unintentional and now removed. Problem solved.
Because I saw your comment before you edited it to enlarge the text. You can say it was a mistake all you like, I don’t believe you but I see no point in arguing now that you’ve fixed it.
I did edit it. I certainly didn’t edit to make it larger. I agree that’s annoying and stupid. I added more context to it. If you saw it before you will see ther post is slightly longer and has an extra analogy at the end. There’s no argument, just an accusation based on an incorrect assumption. I hit a markdown button on my app which added styling to the last line, effecting the entire last paragraph.
… It doesn’t matter what you call bigotry or calls to violence really, what matters is if you accept them.
Apparently you do. Lemmy.world does not.
I understand if you disagree with what I said but please don’t accuse me of accepting things that I don’t. I think abhorrent and repulsive commentary is, to quote myself here, abhorrent and repulsive. Quick question though friend, possibly unrelated, but please answer. do you see a difference in someone saying
and
this question is entirely hypothetical, please don’t read into it any more than what’s there. How similar are these to you? Entirely the same meaning? Different but fundamentally the same? Related to the same mentality but different? Or entirely different points of view?
Those are different things to say, but in specific contexts, those differences matter a lot less
fair point about specific contexts. i wonder if youd see a context in which the former commenter would grieve and condone all human suffering involved, while still being able to have that resolve about it?
I personally don’t 100% disagree with you even though you’re getting the downvote train to oblivion. I personally like to keep an eye as to what other people are up to with their extreme ideologies but lemmy.world isn’t the place for that.
fair point. I don’t disagree with the fedi not being the place for it either but, I do also want to note it’s becoming harder to find a place to have any meaningful dialogue about most things these days outside of a curated echo chamber. we used to have passioned debates within academia, but that’s become far too risky with the current climate and the ever evolving vocabulary of what’s truly acceptable and what has unintended meanings. social media has become a nightmare, and most of the rest of the mainstream Internet isn’t interested in having a meaningful discussion, just people posting selfies and trying to get views for ad money. reddit has become super commercialized and rejects anything that would scare away advertisers as well. id think some lemmy instance would be one of the last places a meaningful dialogue could occur, but of course nobody wants their platform to degenerate into a soapbox for hate speech.
Well, perhaps my comment was just me coming to terms with the sad fact that this is just the new reality where misinformation and deepfake videos have free reign to produce this layer of scum in these degenerate free speech echo chambers that we just have to shield ourself from like a zombie attack and hope nobody in our local area we have to deal with on a daily basis gets sucked into it and past a point of no return. you think the days of fox news was bad back in the Obama years when we could publicly mock and call them out on their bullshit? just wait about a decade from now and see what cults bubble up from these partitioned platforms. that sounds incredibly dystopian to me.
sorry that’s a long rant, but I really feel this is where we are headed.
If you want to engage with extreme stances, go to instances (like lemmygrad.ml) where the extremists hang out. Don’t insist that I need to engage with the fuckers myself. Knock yourself out and engage. I’ll stay here where I feel, you know, semi-comfortable.
Thanks for the tip. I’m not sure if there’s a way to migrate my account or if I have to make a new instance there. This fedi thing is still pretty strange. But it’ll be interesting to watch all the instances slowly defederate from each other making the fediverse basically no more an open platform than facebook