• tallwookie@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    eh I just read through the post over there, I suppose their concerns are somewhat valid, to a point, but there really isnt a “safe space” anywhere except between your ears.

    really just reads like excuses to being lazy.

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      1 year ago

      My problem with Beehaw in general is it reeks of overzealous and manipulative mods. The internet is full of awful people but to pretend you can make an island of purity where you get to decide what is pure is going to be a worse idea in the long run.

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        I find it ironic that they say fake niceness will only scare people off, but all the “ethos engineering” only promotes a culture of fake niceness. I don’t buy all this “walled utopia” idealism, especially since this place isn’t like Discord with private servers, but a public interconnected forum. Why choose to set up on the Fediverse if you’re not open to ”strangers” accessing your community? But oh well, I think they’ll probably defederate more and more over time (or switch to whitelist).

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            1 year ago

            Reminds me a bit of parents who want the benefit of just putting their kid on the internet so they don’t have to entertain the kid themselves but then try to censor everyone when the kid finds anything online they didn’t want the kid to see.

    • Faceman🇦🇺@discuss.tchncs.de
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      1 year ago

      Yeah, somewhat agree (they only had 4 main mods, that’s rediculous) but they do raise a good point in the difficulty of maintaining a friendly and safe community with limited moderation possible.

      What we need isn’t large instances splitting off and defederating, it’s better moderation tools and more volunteers.

      I’m on a smaller instance and am still fully federated with all three instances involved, so it doesn’t affect me, but that also means if I chose to be a dick and spam/troll on beehaw communities they would have to moderate me manually, or defederate from my instance too.

      I suspect this will be reversed when better moderation is possible, or perhaps they will eventually be able to block posts and comments from other instances without defederating entirely if they want to remain as clean and high quality as they are attempting to be.

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        1 year ago

        disagree - if there’s “trash” coming in then you know you’re not alone, just awash in detritus.

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          Either way you’re not usefully communicating, though.

          You’ve got to strike a balance where you’re getting information just filtered enough you can usefully digest it, but no more.

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            1 year ago

            i suppose that’s true - i guess the main concern that I have with the top-tier instances defederating is that each instance becomes its own insular echo chamber - lemmygrad is a good example of this.

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              That’s one of the main points of federation, if you as an admin don’t like an instance you block them, if as an user you don’t like the instance you’re in you go to another one.
              There are some key features missing here, the ability to silence entire instances so you don’t have to defederate completely and account migration so you can just pick up your stuff and leave.

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              We’ll see, I guess. It’s very early days. Reddit could be like that in places already. On the other hand, there were subs that were pretty open-ended, like r/askreddit (although I’m bummed they’re not blacking out).

              I suspect users will flock to instances that are more trusted if given the choice, since nobody wants to be left out.