• Fedizen@lemmy.world
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        How many private road networks exist in the US?

        The problem is a lot of the costs of highways are externalized: cars are more expensive to run than trains, parking is more space costly, roads require dedicating much larger amounts of space for lower capacity. The reality is car roads cost more but are subsidized more.

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          The cost to construct a new rail connection is significantly higher than the cost to construct a new road connection. Subsidies don’t enter into it.

          If somebody says they have an easy and low cost solution for you, you’d be annoyed if it turned out that it was actually far harder and pricier until maybe 50 years down the line.

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            The cost to construct a new rail connection is significantly higher than the cost to construct a new road connection.

            Correct. Now compare the cost of maintenance, and then compare the cost of actually moving the items.

            Let’s see which comes out on top when we compare all costs, not just the cost of building.

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              rail lines are also more expensive than roads to maintain

              the cost of moving your items depends entirely on how many items you move—sometimes roads will be cheaper, and sometimes rails will be cheaper

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                rail lines are also more expensive than roads to maintain

                That’s because they transport more material than roads.

                The NZ government did a thought experiment where they shifted all rail to road, and the maintenance costs would increase by $105 million.

                Keep in mind the rail system in NZ is underdeveloped.

                Source: https://www.kiwirail.co.nz/assets/Uploads/documents/2021-Value-of-Rail-report.pdf

                If you want to shift the most materials from one place to another at the cheapest rate, you would use rail.

                the cost of moving your items depends entirely on how many items you move—sometimes roads will be cheaper, and sometimes rails will be cheaper

                Do you mean cost to the end consumer or actual expenditure? Are you including CAPEX? What are you actually talking about?

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            Maybe consider different framing: If 50 years ago we had budgeted as much public money on public railroads as roads, we’d be in a much better position today and its even more likely this trend will continue.

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        https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2020/1/27/how-much-does-a-mile-of-road-actually-cost

        for railways it’s 1-2 million by most estimates, of course land acquisition has to be talen into account too but that’s true for roads too.

        then there are the efficiency and maintaince costs. first of all if you are building tracka you can electrify it right away meaning you have a very green mode of transporting both people and cargo.

        and efficiency wise google says trains are 3-4x more efficient than trucks (semis)

        you also have to consider the electrification of trucks, if you need trucks to go across the country to hail stuff, eiher they need large batteries, which is more weight and thus more wear and tear on the roads or you need to maintain an extremely inefficient Hydrogen ecosystem which has 30% or so efficiency compared to the 85-90% of BEVs.

        wouldn’t it make more sense to havw smaller semis with less range and thus smaller batteries that just hauls stuff in the final miles? from the cargo train depot to the intended destination?