The mayor’s office says it would be the first major U.S. city to enact such a plan.

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    So you’re talking about “edge cases” and also claiming it effects over 17 million Americans. That’s a lot of human suffering.

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      We should strive to improve. But the modern food system which is overwhelmingly capitalist has produced the most food secure system to the most people ever. Calling it a failure over 5%, especially without context and scope is foolish.

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        The modern food system is not capitalist. We extensively subsidize farming, so that farmers will produce excesses despite a lack of corresponding market demand. This socially-funded excessive production is the foundation of our food security.

        Capitalism does not produce such a system. Capitalism sees production in excess of actual demand as wasteful, and seeks to eliminate it.

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          We subsidize farmers, so we don’t have a famine. Has nothing to do with it being socially funded.

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              The only way capitalism can prevent a famine is if the individual can be expected to adequately plan and prepare for a food shortage. History says we won’t do that.

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            Please clarify your point. You seem to be saying “the subsidies we provide have nothing to do with subsidization”.

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              Because it doesn’t…we subsidize farmers, so we don’t have a famine…we don’t subsidize farmers because of socialism or capitalism. It’s literally done as a fail safe. It’s the same reason we have metric tons of cheese on hand as well.

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                The idea that the government should provide such a failsafe against famine is an act of socialism. A purely capitalist approach to a famine is that the individual should be responsible for preparing their own means of surviving it, or perish in an act of economic Darwinism.

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        And praising the capitalist part “especially without context” is also foolishly.

        The context being that a historically isolated and hard to invade country with extremely beneficial geological features happened to be capitalist, then went on a 50 year military and social propaganda campaign to stamp out any possible competition in other countries either by directly sending its military in, or funding local forces willing to cooperate.

        In no way am I saying communism or socialism is some kind of perfect system, and I not going to debate their historic representations.

        But you’re ignoring a looooot of history in your comments.

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        My guy, shut the fuck up. Who is paying you to spout this nonsense? Because if no one is, you are getting played.