Now you know how conservatives felt when Big Tech fucked us over in 2020 and banned us all. Thoughts? Shall we momentarily share a group hug
Now you know how conservatives felt when Big Tech fucked us over in 2020 and banned us all. Thoughts? Shall we momentarily share a group hug
Yeah I guess that’s the problem everything I see from this instance is mostly grievance politics or murder fantasies about some group. To be fair I wasn’t really sure on defederation but then that shit just started showing up everywhere… And also when someone is saying you are a fascist they are not saying that you are a Nazi they are different words. Sorry about your grandma that story was no Bueno. My great grandmothers family was killed by Italian fascists in the mid 1930s. Anyways here’s a joke before I go to bed.
If Russia and Germany would invade Poland again, who the Poles will shoot at first? Germans. Business before pleasure.
I do not think there are real murder fantasies going on here at all - I am not sure what this is in reference to…
I actually think we are a real Libertarian instance and we have some red pilled Libertarians or “Alt Libertarians” who occasionally say very offensive shit, but the goal has never been nor will it ever be to impose anything on anyone.
Also… If you look at the ModLog… You can go back and see that there have actually been isntances where comments have been removed solely because the N-word was used.
You have upvoted posts where the top comment is “removedfags should be lined up and shot.”… This is public content, so I’m not sure why you want to deny that stuff like that is going on here and is obviously tolerated…
I don’t know what your opinion is, but there are definitely people here who apparently want death for trans people, or drag queens, or homosexuals, or leftists…
I don’t think the usage of the N-word is what concerns people most…
I actually have no memory of upvoting something as grotesquely worded as that, but perhaps the attached meme was funny.
I do not want death or coercion for anybody.
Then this makes the situation a bit dishonest.
Not a really fun game to play, IMO
😂 no one’s talking about the n word. And real libertarians generally don’t worship or want a dictator but I guess the meaning of the word changed recently or whatever.
Plus this is why people upvote the drag show meme:
Not because we think we need to interfere in the lives of gay people - nothing can be done really to make them choose anything differnet, it is the way of their life, let them live it - but because we dislike groomers, and that is what a “family friendly” drag show is based around, more or less.
Virtually everyone dislikes groomers… But you can’t throw a whole group of people into the same box for the actions of individuals… That would be just as ridiculous as saying “Christians are groomers because the catholic church has a problem with child abuse” or “all conservatives are nazis”…
And fyi, trans women are biologically able to breastfeed their children. There is medication for biological women and trans women that makes it possible for them to produce milk without being pregnant.
I’m not saying I support it, in my opinion there are concerns with taking this medicine (this applies to both biological women and trans women taking that medicine). But those kind of posts aren’t constructive discussions about the topic, their only purpose seems to be to paint “removed” as pedos and child abusers by implying that the only possible reasons for a trans woman to feed her child is sexual pleasure, which if true would obviously be bad…
Well, isn’t this a monstrosity, lol.
If a heterosexual man was taking pills to lactate and feed his kids, I would want to wash my eyes with soap…
For very similar reasons this unnatural practice is repugnant.
Yeah, I mean, I know that you respect transpeople and are supportive of their lifestyle. I do not want to illegalize or actively pursue some sort of conflict with them, but I also want to state my opinions about it frankly.
I am sure that there are people on the Left who LOL and upvote at memes that have violent fates for “Nazis” and many were likely chortling with glee at the fire memes about the dead billionaires in the sub…
But isn’t it sealioning if I then go to your instances and say that you are all violent revolutionaries with homicidal fantasies?
Ok but it wasn’t a heterosexual man…
First of all, male lactation is something that has been documented occasionally in nature, including in humans.
Secondly, claiming “unnatural practice” as the sole and obvious justification why we shouldn’t do something always seems very strange to me. We are humans, we have rejected nature a long time ago. Pretty much anything we do is “unnatural” by definition. Any medication ever would fall into the category of “unnatural practices”, so would you sitting on an “unnatural” chair and looking into an “unnatural” screen.
Which is fine in my view.
There are definitely lefties who have a very weird and ultra romanticized view of “revolution” and there is definitely a lot of negative feelings towards billionaires and others. But ultimately, leftists aren’t primarily concerned with targeting individuals, whether that is individual right wingers, individual politicians, etc.
They are concerned with systemic issues and targeting the system overall.
It would be, yes. But that’s not what I’m doing in my view, I’m not saying “you are all violent racist homophobes”, if I believed that, I wouldn’t be here. I had a great and insightful conversation just the other day.
But when I see a “meme post” that is about how “removed are pedos who abuse children” (masked behind the idea that “it’s just a joke, just a bit of lighthearted fun”) where the most upvoted comment is saying something like “removedfags should be lined up and shot”, I will call that out.
And my aim isn’t to paint you all as violent extremists, my aim is to show you that tolerating this kind of “discourse” is just destroying your own community and ultimately undermines the free-speech space you want to build.
OK, so let me say that I would just summarize my idea about transgenderism in that it is caused by the following or a combination of the following:
Some people it is 100% gender dysphoria. Some people it is a combination of all of these. Some people dwell purely in the sophistry aspect, and are easily identifiable by the people who make very superficial changes to their appearance and then simply identify as “non-binary” or some such. They are like the bisexuals of the 1990s: they signal their uniqueness to get prestige without making any commitments.
So… To me, when anyone starts taking such hormones to lactate and presents this to a child, they are not doing it as an actual woman, but they are doing it as a person who is deeply troubled…
And if I was a male who was lactating due to a medical condition, I would not offer it to my own baby. I mean, sure, lol, “What if you’re on a desert island with nothing else to eat…?!” scenario, yeah, OK, lol, but I mean as a principle it is such a departure from the norm. Not only would it take me entirely out of my comfort zone, it wouldn’t be healthy for the baby. Like would you want to be told that you were fed from the hairy nipple of a heterosexual man with a lactation condition…? On the one hand, yuo could say no harm, no foul…
But this is pure, disembodied reason thinking purely along Cause>Effect lines without the proper context of healthy human living, culture, and norms.
I hope that clarifies the position.
Two weeks ago I actually felt bad about a lot of this but now I don’t since I have seen that a lot of the people who voted against us were not just mistaken, but extreme in their views.
You are great - and keep coming back here - and I do accept your criticism. The very rough, immature humor might even be occasionally powered by some authentic, ugly hatred…
But I also actually think that guys getting their hatred out in stupid internet posts is OK. Maybe even helpful. More importantly, I think anyone who is willing to start using violence for political reasons is already insane. There’s nothing I can do to help them. They are at timebomb who will go off for some strange social or religious reason if not for a political one; they are attracted to anything that justifies a violent outburst.
I think free speech is never dangerous, so I am not into censorship. Since we have defederated from people who have such low opinions of free speech… the slap has no sting anymore.
What was “prestigious” about being a “homo” in the 90s? What is prestigious about being trans today? They are overwhelmingly hated all over the world for who they are, the push against that hate has been met with extreme scepticism by a lot of people.
Even in the US, THE example of “the progressive west”, the last president has claimed that if he becomes president again, he will go after all transgender healthcare…
Also, what are you implying when you say “without making any commitments”? Isn’t one of the right’s main criticisms that the changes are too permanent/not reversable? Shouldn’t you be happy that they “aren’t commiting”?
Yeah as I have said, I have my concerns with this as well. The only thing I find a bit strange is that your concerns are about “it not being natural” which to me, is just a weird justification for anything.
And I’m not saying you should (unless maybe you are in that desert scenario or something like that). I’m just saying it’s not as “unnatural” as you might think, or rather nature can be pretty fucked up and weird in it’s own right.
Right and to me, the first one is not very important. It’s the second one that should be important, no?
And this is exactly where I believe our main difference in thinking comes from.
You talk of “proper healthy human living”, “proper culture” and “proper norms” or of human behavior being “unnatural”. To me, humans have abandoned nature thousands of years ago. And in the past 100 - 200 years, we have also start to abandon virtually all traditional social norms, social structures, hierarchies, customs, culture and norms, etc.
And some people say they want to go back to “traditional society”, but first, I don’t thinkt that’s possible, and second, many just want to go back in some specific cases, but keep the rest of the progress they like, which certainly doesn’t work.
At the very least, I think that’s clearly the direction we are heading towards. Young people will keep on questioning and opposing older traditions, norms and customs, I believe simply because the world they grow up in is different to the one their parents grew up in. And I don’t think this is happening for artificial reasons as some want to claim, I believe it’s the extreme impact that our technological and scientific progress has caused, it would be unreasonable to see everything in our world radically transform, but to expect that specific customs and traditions stay the same…
I think it’s pretty silly when people say “we are banning the nazis” when they are talking about you. I mean many do it to provoke you and piss you off while they know you are not actual nazis, but still, it’s pretty silly. But at the same time, I don’t really know how to address it, it’s just how people on the internet seem to act and you people certainly like to provoke, so you almost have to expect a reaction.
I don’t see how it helps anyone.It certainly doesn’t help with finding any practical solutions to any problem, it certainly doesn’t help in making the internet less toxic and it certainly doesn’t help with finding any kind of compromise or common ground between the camps. All it does is making people act more and more extreme and unappologetic on both sides.
Yeah a lot of people say that, but EVERYONE is using violence for political reasons. The left is, the right is, and the center is using violence against both the right and the left to keep the status quo. But of course, there are different levels of violence and I think we can both agree that using random and extreme acts of violence is not only insanse, but also impratical. But I also think that at the end of the day, it’s a consequence of people being desperate and hopeless.
Here I agree with you. But I know that fantasising all day long about violence and “finally getting revenge” while blaming “the opposite side for everything” will certainly not help. And this goes for both right wingers who are fantasysing about lining up and shooting all the trans people/leftists/sjw’s as well as all the extreme lefties who fantasise about “bringing out the guilitine” and executing all the rich people, racists and right wingers.
I’m not into censorship either, but I think we have a different definition of censorship. To me, moderation does not restrict free speech. One could even argue that moderation makes free speech possible.
What’s that have to do with putting people in a woodchipper? Like do you really not understand?😂
… So every single time someone jokes about someone going in a woodchipper it translates to a real clear intent to murder?
That’s silly.
No. I am not saying that that’s silly.
What dictator is being worshiped?
Jesus dude I can’t without the conversation getting uncivil but I’ll try. Libertarians are opposed to authoritarianism. There are plenty of other spaces on the internet where we hangout without the weird political bias. If you hate one person doing something you should hate the other for doing it as well.
What does this have to do with dictators…?
Are you saying… if we hate Communist dictators, we should also hate Fascist dictators…?
Yeah I’m pretty done with this but I’ll spoon feed you… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
And yes if you are a librarian you should dislike all dictators even those who are not communist or fascists.
Sic semper tyrannis
Anyways have a good night or day!
Right, I hear you. I dislike tyranny but I also understand how different societies have different standards and models for government. This does not mean that I think their forms of government are justified, but I also do not think that looking back and defecating on the models of very different societies that are formed by very different circumstances is the best look.
For that matter, there are even far left authoritarians that can be admired on some level. Ho Chi Minh has some very redeemable characteristics but I also dislike his persecution of the Catholics, for instance. I also do not look at guys like former Pres. Morales of Bolivia and the current Brazilian President as also having a lot of good qualities though neither of them would stack up at all as Libertarians…
So I also do not balk at occasionally admiring non-Libertarian rightwing authoritarians when it is relevant.
Lol ur mad about that
Nice lol. Yes, I am Prussian and Bavarian by my German grandparents. Although the Bavarian side immigrated to the United States in the 1890s and we’re actually a part of the last royal quart of Germany before the unification… sounds crazy, but I’ve actually seen the documents and proof from my grandfather before he died. My grandmother’s Prussian family, basically almost all of them are dead because they were massacred during World War II. I’m pretty sure the only her mother and one or two of her brothers got out.