People on twitter at each other’s throats for a recent trend in which you can use imageai filters to reproduce images in Studio Ghibli style.
Lots of people are throwing around the Miyazaki quote where he calls AI an “insult to life itself” - it’s worth noting that this came after he witnessed a simulation using AI animation to make a zombie body crawl across the ground. Miyazaki remarked that he has a very disabled friend he sees regularly, and that he can’t find this usage cool or interesting. He goes on to remark about generative AI later in the clip, but let’s be clear, that specific statement was disconnected.
I’m curious what the Lemmy opinion is here. Is this a short-lived fad or does it speak to larger ramifications in the creative industry? Is this a silly little image filter or a harbinger of global artistic doom?
I think people are having a “Napster moment” with AI, watching it disrupt the status quo and being afraid of it. I think there’s way too many anti-technology hot takes.
However, AI is absolutely a threat to and a weapon against the working class (or will be very soon). The capitalist class is just salivating to use this tool to further exploit people.
This has always been a class war… I am pissed I was not taught this when I was a child and don’t figure it until adult hood.
Children must be educated about who their enemies are from early age so they know how to deal with the parasite
Instead we got
if you work hard everyone will work out 🤡
These “adults” were worse than a shit stained toilet paper.
While the rich teach their children very clearly which team they are on and how to play well for that team.
The problem is not that we can automate jobs. It is that people end up homeless if we do.
Hoping to appease both sides by hand-drawing pro-ai wojaks. Is this how centrism works
People shouldn’t be on Twitter OR using gen AI
Just stop it
Well, I think we have to come up with a lot of answers to the new questions AI raises… But that’s kind of always the case with fundamentally new things. Even more so if they’re disruptive. I certainly wouldn’t like to see proper art (like the Ghibli movies) getting replaced by AI. But we somehow need to deal with it. I believe AI is here to stay.
I believe the main issues currently are, AI lacking depth, so if it replaces things, it replaces them with inferior things. And secondly, this makes it more difficult to make art. Both to reach an audience and to earn money with it. I’m (personally) not directly opposed to AI, the issue is just that it tends to drown out other things. Often at the cost of quality (currently) so it’s bad as of now. In the long term the question is slightly different: What aspect of humanness do we value? Why? What’s our place and the place of AI and what’s our incentive to do things? I mean if AI can properly replace humans, we can’t earn a living with labor anymore. And the same applies to art. It needs to have a different motivation than money anyways. But none of that applies currently. AI needs human content to be trained. And companies just take that (without consent) and they’d need to contribute something back for it to be healthy. Either some form of direct compensation. Or something meaningful. And I think once the copyright issue is settled and the companies stop to steal everything they get a hold of, but instead start to license that content for training purposes… We can start to discuss whether generative AI contributes something meaningful to the world.
Ghibli AI is a fad. AI itself isn’t
Generative AI is theft in the same way that cars stole the livelihoods away from farriers.
Actually, it’s not quite that bad because it just makes existing jobs more efficient. “Big AI” thinks that it will keep evolving at the same pace as Moore’s Law but there’s currently no evidence to suggest that’s true.
It’ll get faster, for sure but that won’t make it better. I wouldn’t be surprised if everyone’s still complaining about AI hallucinating things 50 years from now. It’ll just be quicker and easier to re-do the output when it does.
Here’s my realistic predictions, based on everything I’ve actually used and studied about AI (I follow it very closely):
- Every photographer and everyone else who edits photos will be using AI like they currently use photo editing tools. It’ll become just another tool in the toolbox. I wouldn’t be surprised if GIMP and Krita add a whole menu just for AI actions. In fact, many professionals are already using AI every day.
- 3D artists will also adopt AI to make their workflows faster (god knows they could use it! 3D modeling is tedious AF). AI will be used to rig up models and even to create starter models from 2D images (it’ll be a long time before the AI is making decent models though… That are suitable for rigging).
- Animators will be able to work much more efficiently by training AIs with their characters and telling the AI to put those characters in whatever clothes or positions they want. Then they’ll use AI to animate the difference between those states. Character positions will become standardized prompts and new animators will have to learn the new “prompt lingo”.
- Voice actors will use AI to take on more roles. Instead of being typecast into specific roles based on the sound of their voice(s) they’ll be able to change their voice however they want to fit the role.
- Writers will use AI to improve their writing… A lot. There’s an unfathomable number of people that have great stories to tell but aren’t that great at writing. With LLMs they’ll be able to write out the draft of their story and use the AI to make the language flow better. It’ll also fix their idiotic spelling and grammar mistakes (that I find in ebooks all the fucking time and it pisses me off! Paste your stuff into ChatGPT and tell it,
Please check the grammar! It costs nothing but a few minutes of your time! Seriously: It’s a free service. Use it!).
What do all of these things have in common? They’re not taking people’s jobs.
It’s just like any automation that humans have adopted since the industrial revolution. Sure, a company may require fewer workers to perform a task but at the same time that creates new jobs that didn’t exist before.
It’s the natural evolution of work: As time goes on jobs become more specialized and old jobs go away. It’s been like that for a long time now.
Is AI going to accelerate that trend? Yeah probably. But only in the short term. Long term, it will result in more jobs and more productivity.
Aside: I’d like to point out that the rich getting richer is an orthogonal concept to productivity. That’s a function of government/economic systems. Not automation or scientific advancement.
I really think the larger problem is with capitalism in general, and AI is just the latest rendition. If the largest complaint is job loss moreso loss of income) and stealing intellectual property… These are both unnecessary concepts
