Lemmy was a great idea. It put reddit into the users hands. Its fast, works well and gave the community control of its community
I’m not endorsing Seedit, but I support decentralized social media and want to share information for those who are interested. This is not promotion, im ust spreading awareness.
I know a lot of people here hate Reddit (rightfully so) because of how they keep banning people for their opinions. If you miss the old Reddit experience but want something that actually decentralized and can’t be taken down, check out Seedit.
• Looks & feels like old Reddit
• Fully P2P on IPFS → No global admin to ban you
• You can self-host your own community
• ENS domains used for subplebbits
• MVP is coming in 2 weeks, and speed will improve
Right now, it’s a bit slow, but once the MVP drops, it’ll be fast. If anyone is seriously interested in running a community, you can dm me I’ll buy an ENS for you.
Seedit doesn’t rely on any servers. It’s pure P2P, running entirely on IPFS. No central authority, it literally can’t be taken down.
Seedit is NOT a Lemmy competitor. It’s part of the Plebbit protocol, which supports multiple UIs. In fact, a Lemmy-style UI is coming soon.
The code is fully open source, If you’re into decentralization and open protocols, check it out.
Can a seedit user control what psts they seed?
Are private communities supported? I guess one way to do this would be to have a website that supports the plebbit protocol but is (somehow?) distinct from the greater IPFS horde? Not even sure if that makes sense, just asking out of curiosity.
implementing control over seeding is on the list of things to do, not yet implemented. same with private communities.
Decentralization is cool but unmoderated spaces tend to attract the worst kinds of people.
Decentralization is cool but unmoderated spaces tend to attract the worst kinds of people.
Someone else commented that one of the posts on seedit is titled with the n-bomb which proves your point.
It’s also not clear to me if a seedit user can control what posts they seed. The last thing I’d want to do is seed a post that has thz n-bomb as the title. No thanks.
I remember as a kid, early 2k’s, I was active on a big forum at the time and they went and did a troll attack on the stormfront forum. Even a literal nazi forum had moderation. I can’t imagine how much worse a non moderated place might be.
As someone who got banned by a moderator for saying trans men should not be allowed to compete against women in the same sport, I disagree.
Some moderators are just nuts and use their power to control conversations so it fits their personal preference.
I prefer platforms where users are in control, not moderators. It requires a certain amount of work as a user so its not for everyone of course.
case in point.
Exactly.
Trans men would have been born biologically female. So thanks for proving you really have no idea what you are talking about.
Go fucking goon over the breach blonde eyeshadow Christian fascist losers that Trump parades around like they’re America’s greatest export and begone, thot
I find it funny that like every WNBA and majority of American female athletes competed in the men’s leagues at high school level and absolutely shit on them while they were there. The benched dude for Caitlyn Clark out in the Midwest isn’t suing her for not making college ball.
We as a society say a really great female athlete improving their odds for pro level is okay to migrate sex defined leagues. But if a trans female athlete just wants to play amongst their peers it’s wrong / unfair / unacceptable lol.
Would it not be more reasonable to distinguish by strength classes instead of gender?
Naah. Its always been gender based since the first olympics and its extreamly unfair to women to have physical men compete with them. Anyone can see that.
Right, because a bunch of people back in 776 BC had everything figured out.
Tell us more about how poorly you’ve bothered to educate yourself on the subject of biological sex and you just base your opinions on ‘the feels’
There is nothing to figure out.
I grabbed the app from github and jumped in, then looked through all of the posts on the front page with comments. Crypto, Musk bootlickers, one post has the n word in the title. So what exactly is this? Is it just going to be Voat again?
My interest is not in the Reddit interface so that’s not a selling point, and frankly the first impression of the users is bad. Is there a sub/community/whatever you can point me to that’s worth participating in yet or should I give it a few months and see how it progresses?
Is it just going to be Voat again?
Yes. This is the only thing such spaces devolve into. Same thing happened/is happening with nostr.
Yeah, we need better communities, most of them are poorly maintained at the moment. But some of them are cool, like technopleb.eth, plebpiracy.eth, plebmusic.eth, movies-and-anime.eth. You can check out the full list on https://seedit.app/#/communities/vote (this is a maintained list of default subs to show in the app, but you can connect p2p to any sub whatsoever if you know its address, just like you can download any torrent with a torrent client)
Cheers, I’ll check it out tonight
Fully P2P on IPFS → No global admin to ban you
How does it plan to deal with spam and csam?
spam
each subplebbit has its own admins, who set up an anti-spam challenge which gets sent p2p to users when they publish to the sub. The cool thing is these challenges can be anything that can be code (anything: including PoW if they want to get spammed, or SMS auth, a captcha, a whitelist, a password, a time-based or usage-based challenge, biometrics to fight AI like worldcoin, whatever regularly centralized social media sites will end up using to fight spam)
csam
all data on plebbit is text-only, you cannot upload media. All media you see is embedded from centralized websites, with direct links, meaning if you post a link to csam from some site like imgur, imgur will ban you, take down the media (the embed returns 404, media disappears) and report your IP address to authorities. Plebbit is also not private, it works like torrents, your IP is in the swarm (even though the app and community can’t see it, authorities can track it and figure out what you seeded, just like with torrents)
Ok so bad privacy for one, but from way I see it, you can very well get banned just as much, it’s just by community. If it were to become popular, massive blocklists would appear that most popular subs would subscribe to, making it a defacto service ban. Or as much of a ban as having a lemmy instance defederated from everywhere is.
Also relying on each sub to reinvent the anti-spam wheel feels suboptimal.
Also people who upload csam to random places for shock value are not afraid of “the authorities”. How do you handle them constantly making new accounts and posting csam on your subs?
all data on plebbit is text-only, you cannot upload media.
I worry this still puts the “host” of a community at risk. In some jurisdictions, storing functional links to CSAM on your device, even in text form, is effectively the same thing as saving the actual media file locally. This means that a community admin would need to have some sort of system in place on their own machine to scan and remove those, which there doesn’t currently seem to be a mechanism in place to do automatically.
Right now, it seems like a lot more responsibility for the end-user when creating a community, as opposed to the relatively consequence-free route of creating a community on Lemmy/Reddit.
Community moderation is the same as Lemmy/Reddit, Seedit community owners assign mods who have to keep the community clean, they can remove posts, mark them as nsfw/spoiler, ban users (from their community), banning a list of words or links to prevent users from publishing them, set up a mod queue (this is in the roadmap), etc.
It’s actually safer to run a community on Seedit, because it’s just a text file on IPFS that cannot include media files, and it’s not attached to any identity of the owner nor does it use centralized domains or SSL. There’s no IP logging, and the community owner can delete the community at any time, leaving no trace, since there’s no centralized database of communities.
And since all data is on IPFS, it’s not immutable, it can expire as soon as it has no more seeders. Compare this with blockchains, where text data is permanent, it can never be deleted once it’s in a block. Links to CSAM have been found in Bitcoin/Ethereum, and they can never get deleted.
I read the plebbit whitepaper a while back and it’s definately a cool idea. It rubbed me the wrong way that it uses ethereum (for something I can’t remember) as part of it’s tech stack though.
I like that it uses IPFS, and I think lemmy should too in some capacity.
Blockchains are perfect for anything that needs to be a token in an immutable ledger, such as domain names. We use them as extra, they are not needed but they are nice to have, to show a readable-name.eth or readable-name.sol instead of a long alphanumeric string, as address for plebbit communities and users.
IMO, this needs a different name. It’s too similar to “Saidit”, one of sites that sprang up as a refuge for the edgier (or sicker) content that Reddit wanted rid of about 10 years ago, and unlike Voat, it’s still live.
If you’re one of the right-wing trolls and/or edgelords who used to hop between Reddit and 4chan back in the day, it might be the place for you. Otherwise, probably best to steer clear.
Either way, steering clear of similar names might be a good idea.
Well, the name can be anything. Seedit is a client for the plebbit protocol, just like Lemmy is a client for ActivityPub protocol.
The same content that you see on Lemmy can be accessed from a different ActivityPub client, like Mastodon.
The same content that you see on Seedit can be accessed from a different plebbit client, like Plebchan. Plebbit will have countless clients, ie. different interfaces for the same data, each with a different name/branding/design.
Actually this makes me realise how surprising it is that we don’t have an old.reddit lemmy skin.
There’s old.lemmy.world, and I only ever used Reddit through 3rd party apps and the one I used has a Lemmy app now. Close enough.
Well look at that
I’ve been using https://old.lemmy.world/ since I left Reddit during the API issues. It’s a very good analog to the original Reddit.
Are there any Seedit instances I can join? I think my hobby is exploring technologies, especially decentralization and free and open-source projects. That’s why I love signing up for multiple instances.
Seedit is fully p2p, it’s not federated, meaning there’s no “instances” in the federated sense. You just download the app or go to seedit.app, connect directly to a community, using its address, and you publish to it. It’s like torrents, you’re also seeding back content you receive (that’s why it’s called seedit, but seeding is fully automated at the moment, maybe it will be possible to selectively seed communities in the future)
Thank you for your reminder about the interplanetary file system (IPFS) term and for introducing me to the Plebbit protocol.
Any information about how is IPFS used here? As it’s decentralised but change resistant, they have had problems making changes decentralised. Just curious.
Why use this over Lemmy?
Because lemmy is federated, it’s not decentralized. Instances run on centralized servers, using DNS, they can get deplatformed at any time and delete your data. They effectively work just like regularly centralized websites, and can block each other. Whereas on plebbit, each community is a node that can’t get deplatformed (works like torrents, ie no domain/DNS/SSL) and users connect to it p2p. So, to run a lemmy instance, you have to run a whole site, whereas to run a plebbit node you just have to open the desktop app and browse the site with it. Creating a sub with your node is free, just like creating a torrent file.
hmm I will try and host a subplebbit on my minipc and see if anyone actually uses it, feel free to DM me to get the address of the subplebbit :)
Cool. If you want your subplebbit to be featured in our apps, ie shown in the homepages with all our users auto-subscribed to it, DM us its address or open a pull request on https://github.com/plebbit/temporary-default-subplebbits
At the moment, the only requirement is 99% uptime (and the sub shouldn’t be about illegal stuff ofc, but it can be nsfw)
More like “Suedit”. Reddit has a lot of money for lawyers now, and will aggressively go after anything that looks like it, even if the look is old.
old.reddit was open source, also seedit is fully open source under GPLv2 license and it can’t get taken down (it’s serverless, and it’s hosted on IPFS)
edit: also, for example, there’s old.lemmy.world
Yes, all that is correct, but that doesn’t mean they won’t try anyway. You don’t necessarily need to be correct on the law in America to win, you just need to have the resources to pay more lawyers than the other side.
It’s hosted on Github, all it takes is a few billable hours for Reddit to send Github a cease and decist letter and … poof … the repo goes away unless Github decides to challenge (and they won’t challenge, nor will they bother asking the maintainer before killing it).
Did someone make a phone app out of the code? All it takes is a similar letter to Google and Apple to resolve that. Yes, the app developer can challenge it with them, but don’t expect to get very far.
Just a few billable hours can severely impact the reach of this project, even if the project is fully open source and thus allowed to be forked. You don’t need to be correct to send a C&D letter, in most cases the other party caves right away before challenging it.
So if you like the project, make sure to maintain your own private copy of the Github repo. It may not be there forever.
Not sure why you got a downvote, this is an extremely common tactic used against projects that big tech doesn’t like
We constantly back up all our code, yes. If our GitHub repos ever get taken down, we’ll just switch to GitLab, Codeberg or Radicle.
Sorry, didn’t realize you were a dev. Good luck!
(Although if I were you, I would migrate away from any hosting of anything related to the project that is owned by a US entity.)
yeah I feel that more than ever with the US entities and am in the US. Regardless of all the privacy and corruption that is in open season now, this is going to also lead to a massive enshitification of US companies because of the ever increasing monopolies and lack of competition
