Since like half the communities and posts here are NSFW related, can we have a common tagging standard?
I’m seeing different requirements across the communities and it gets frustrating to have to check the rules for every post to make sure I’m fitting in the guidelines.
A suggested standard wouldn’t be a bad idea, as long as we don’t expect everyone to actually follow it. In addition to different communities having different requirements, mods of new communities are going to be hesitant to strictly enforce tagging while they’re starved for content. I tend to like having guidelines to follow though.
I would love to have a tag/flairs system yes but it looks like the functionality is just not there yet in lemmy. Standardising for the whole instance though? Yeah, nah. Different communities have different needs like beastclub with animal types while mine would probably fit in the standard tag/flairs that other communities can use (maybe).
I don’t see this happening though, very different communities overall.
You seem to already do tagging the same as beastclub.
[Equine] title “credit the artist at the end of your title”
[Cute] title (AI)
I’m not talking some dictatorial standard for every post. Just an agreed upon format for those who do tagging and want it to be consistent. Like, let’s take a vote or something.
agreed upon format
I’m trying to understand your point and correct me if I’m wrong. So the communities that uses tags should use the same, consistent formatting? Like the type of brackets used or crediting the artist at the end of title? Same title sentencing format i.e “[type] creative title (artist/AI)”? Maybe some examples would help.
I’m hoping tags/flairs will be a feature on lemmy soon, including marking a post as a spoiler. Then all this trouble would be hopefully gone for the most part.
What @LongerDonger@burggit.moe said earlier makes sense.
What I’m seeing is happening now is:
“[Group(Artist/Author)] Title (Media being parodied if applicable) (chapter(s) if applicable) (language if not in English)”
“[Music Genre] Artist - Song”
“Tag your posts” “Credit the artist”
“Title (Author)”
“(Author) Title”
“Title” author in the body text"
So a general consensus as to order placement and formatting would be good. It would help with not breaking the rules accidentally in each community and help with reading the titles. Also people who are non-native English speakers will understand which part of a title is the authors name as sometimes they have names that be mixed up with the content. For instance I just found an author “Freedom” which could easily be the title of an orgasm picture.
Different communities have different needs so I don’t think it’s possible to standardize tags across all of them. Some might not need them, some might not want them.
Not to mention enforcement of said tag system. Burggit is still relatively small and most communities have 1 or 2 mods. It might get stifling to try and enforce a certain tag system site wide as of now. This is why I decided not to enforce one in my community, I don’t want my already small 20 member community to feel annoyed at having to follow certain naming schemes.
What we really need is for Lemmy to have a tag system communities can take advantage of. But that’s an upstream issue.
It might get stifling to try and enforce a certain tag system site wide
Absolutely. Plus, not every community needs/wants tags.
The way I’ve done mine is that including tags is just a guideline. Rather than a rule it’s more of a “if you’re a decent person you’ll take 5 seconds to do this” kinda thing. In a way, I’m hoping that trusting community members to “do the right thing” will help foster some sense of unity, in that everyone helps make the community better and easier to navigate/use for everyone.
Well of course the “when applicable” part would still apply.
I’m just talking about the communities that want tags, and have them already.
Maybe we should agree on a standard for those.
At the very least it’s something for the people that want to tag posts will have something to go by.
I personally feel that instead of having a standard for tags in the title, Lemmy should just have a “tags” field for posts. Then the tags can just be displayed in a consistent way everywhere, and maybe it can even be customizable.
Having “tags” in the title is really just a workaround for the lack of an actual tagging system. Solving that core problem would solve this one too, as least the formatting part of it.
Yup it would solve the problem entirely for Blue Archive community. I don’t see us as using more than 1 tags but if in the future lemmy allows it, it’s better than reddit ever was.
Having a this would be nice. If/when real tags get added to Lemmy in the future, a common standard would easily allow a script to be run to convert text tags into real ones.
My personal choice (for art) is something like this:
[Tag1] [Tag2] Post Title (Artist Name)
To extract a tag from this format you could use a regex like this:
\[([^\[\]]+)\] +?which, when you look at the first capture, should be the content of the each tag.I’d suggest having the tags at the end instead of the beginning, as they can get kind of “noisy”, and you want the most important information first. While the title isn’t always important, it often is.
How about this order (using whatever brackets):
Category if applicable - Title - Creator if applicable - Tags
If categories are used, having category first allows people to quickly scan for the categories they’re interested in, and ignore the ones they’re not. For example, in incestconfessions I put pairing information first, since people are often only interested in specific pairings (brother/sister, mother/son, etc).
The title often describes what’s happening in the content, so that goes next.
People usually only care about the creator of the content if they really like it, so that goes third.
Tags come last, not because they’re unimportant, but because of the potential noisyness, and because if you want them to filter further, it’s easy to skip to the end of the line.
Example of what I mean by noisyness:
[anal][blowjob][spitroast][mmf][rape][crying][school uniform][bottomless] Getting fucked in a dark alley (someartist)
vs:
Getting fucked in a dark alley (someartist) [anal][blowjob][spitroast][mmf][rape][crying][school uniform][bottomless]
I suppose it depends on the type of media. In this context I would define tags as categories that are not necessarily mutually exclusive, rather than something like booru-style tags. As you said, tags like that in a title would get very messy very quickly, so they should probably go in the body text.
My community, BeastClub, has the animal type as a tag at the beginning so people can immediately know what’s in each image. Multiple animal types can be in one image so multiple tags are sometimes necessary. In my case, the title of the art means very little, and can even be totally irrelevant! Of course, this doesn’t apply to every community. Music communities, for example, place much greater importance on the title than mine does. That example alone proves there is no one-size-fits-all solution here.
Category is sometimes thought of as mutually exclusive, but doesn’t have to be. Like, I can do (M/d S/S) for a story that fits two categories, and you can do (dog, horse) for a picture that has both. “Supertags”, I guess?
I don’t think everyone will necessarily go booru-style on their posts, but some will. Having the “subtags” at the end also allows people to get a bit more detailed without feeling like they’re totally trashing the post title.
