Can they tell the differences between installs or can’t they? Either way, they’re definitely lying to their users.
Even worse, https://unity.com/pricing-updates is posted on their site:
“We leverage our own proprietary data model and will provide estimates of the number of times the runtime is distributed for a given project – this estimate will cover an invoice for all platforms.”
Estimating how many copies you sold based on your own ‘data models’ which is impossible to track? Isn’t that like a giant red flag for laundering money?
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I think it’s crazy that they want to write invoices based on estimations. Why didn’t I ever do that? “Oh yeah, I estimate that I worked about um… 2 weeks on that feature.”
Yeah I don’t understand how that works. Will that even stand up to a lawsuit? Wouldn’t they have to give up stuff in discovery if a game company sues to find how they were billed?
In my opinion, it’s bad either way for different reasons
If they do tell the difference, then there is some tracking built into the machine that runs the engine, which is bad for the application user
If they don’t tell the difference, then there will be exploits for intentionally reinstall multiple times, which is bad for the application developers
Not bad for mega corporation’s that only care about money
It’s still bad for their profit margins when their stocks fall by 8% in one day, when major indie developers announce they’ll be moving their current projects off of Unity and future developers are deterred from using their software in the first place.
Whether they care about money or care about public relations, their shooting themselves in the foot on both counts.
Wow, 8 whole percent. And started going back up shortly after.
This should have been a 50% event. Sounds like the backlash hasn’t been severe enough yet and wall street thinks it’s probably mostly fine.
Wall Street is probably hoping Unity gets away with it.
Don’t try to find a meaning in this, just switch to something FOSS. Look at how the 3D modeling world is since Blender became a real competitor.
TIL: There is not only one, but several FOSS game engines (e.g. Godot Engine, GDevelop, Cocos2d-x…). Cool :)
Do the different ones have separate use cases? Or are they all pretty similar in terms of intended functionality and user knowledge requirements?
I only just googled them, but they do look quite different. I assume some are specialised in 2D games, platformers or role playing or mobile games.
Godot seems to be the most sophisticated engine and supports 2D as well as 3D.Haven’t tried any of those other ones you mentioned, but i can vouch for Godot, it’s pretty amazing (granted, i’m not a professional developer, but Godot has worked great for my hobby projects)
As an outsider: How is it?
This whole thing is absurd and overcomplicated - they could have just copied Unreal and slightly undercut them.
It isn’t too complicated, but for example, a game which made $2 million in gross revenue would owe Epic Games $50,000, because it would pay 5 percent of $1 million, keeping the first million entirely—minus whatever other fees are owed, such as Steam’s cut.
There should also absolutely have been a grandfather clause for games already released.
I get Unity needs to make money. They’ve never been profitable. But they’ve seriously overcomplicated the whole thing and gotten people angry at them.
I’m not even sure this is a price increase. It probably is, but I think a lot of people will pay less.
They are just reserving the right to bankrupt you, at random, without any previous warning, because they want. There’s no good reasoning anywhere.
I agree. I think a price increase can totally make sense. Shit’s expensive nowadays, we get it.
They seem to want to create a new revenue stream from games published on Unity retroactively.
Do installs of the same game by the same user across multiple devices count as different installs?
We treat different devices as different installs. We don’t want to track identity across different devices.
Jesus Christ. A single user can freely install the game repeatedly and bankrupt a creator.
I can definitely see one of those “ree woke game” types doing this.
Fitting image host, too.
Excellent
I can see this going wrong with steam proton if each install gets it’s own wine config, simply reinstalling or updating might look like a new machine
I guarantee they put zero thought into how this would actually work, and have just been making stuff up as they go.
Sounds like the idea came to Riccatello in a dream. Damn CEOs are so used to getting their way they just think and it will manifest bullshit.
They’re straight up gaslighting!
Yes. The creator will need to pay for all future installs. The reason is that Unity doesn’t receive end-player information, just aggregate data.
We are not going to charge a fee for reinstalls. The spirit of this program is and has always been to charge for the first install and we have no desire to charge for the same person doing ongoing installs.
Someone tell them they can achieve the latter much more effectively if they simply charge once FOR EACH COPY SOLD.
Hmmm… but then what about humble bundle sales or freemium games? Maybe the charge should change depending on the price of the game…
OH WAIT THAT’S REVENUE SHARE. Seriusly this whole thing is just an attempt at taking more money than devs would be willing to pay, by using a model without an up front percentage.
kind of hard to gaslight when hundreds of news sites already have copies of the thing you said before published
Didn’t stop them from trying!
I may get downvoted to hell for this, but besides the shady business practices, Unity sucks as a game engine. You can just feel the engine eating resources for no good reason and the gfx don’t come close to UE5.
Oh, I don’t think anybody will disagree that Unity is completely unoptimized and barebones compared to Unreal. It is also hard to learn and confusing compared to Godot.
There used to be a huge amount of people that wanted exactly something easier to learn than Unreal and more featureful than Godot. But those two improved in a way that this niche may not even exist anymore. Anyway, currently Unity has that unbeatable marketplace, and I really don’t know if there’s a good enough replacement somewhere, but I don’t see any other reason to use it.
(But then, I’m not really a game developer. I’ve used those here or there, for fun.)
Not quite. Unity isn’t poorly optimized, but it’s not great either. Unity also is very easy to learn, hence the number of really shit games put out from it.
Source: have been using Unity for the past 10 years
From a hobbyist dev who dabbled with Unity for several years: The worst part about the engine imo is the fragmentation of the entire ecosystem.
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There are three major rendering pipelines (HDRP, URP, Legacy), each with their own specific quirks, configurations and dependencies, which are entirely incompatible with eachother.
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Foundational packages (input handling, networking etc.) change/break way too often or have been deprecated for years without replacement (uNet) and rely on 3d party packages.
And don’t even start with the documentation for any of the above. Multiple times have I found documentation for a rendering callback or ShaderLab parameter claiming it would be compatible with URP only to find that the documentation was supposed to be for HRDP.
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Wow, a proprietary quasi monopoly changes their business model into something extremely exploitative and hostile. I am totally surprised! Shocked even! Blimey!
Seriously, why spend years of your life learning to work with some technology that can at anytime be made instantly obsolete or impractical to use when some random asshole you don’t know decides something dumb. If there’s a FOSS alternative, always prefer that.
Is there a Foss alternative to unity?
I looked into it briefly after hearing this news and saw people talking about Godot. It’s for 2D and 3D multi-platform games and you can use C#, C++ and others. Sounds pretty cool
The other cool kid on the block right now is bevy. It’s less of an engine for people who just want something to write their game in, though, but more of a framework for people looking to write their own engine. There’s practically nothing you can’t customise or replace in that thing, it’s built to be both flexible and performant.
Wait why charging for an install? What is going on?
It’s why software needs to be open source, not just free.
Godot is a good example of a free and well-developed open source game engine. It’ll probably see a sharp rise in adoption following this controversy from Unity.
See a sharp rise? Was that an intentional C# reference?
LMAO
I work with C# daily and even I didn’t realize I made a pun there xD
Maybe it’s just embedded in my subconscious at this point…
Yo, is C# named that because a # is made of four plusses?
Yep, it’s supposed to mean C++++.
The sharp symbol also resembles a ligature of four “+” symbols (in a two-by-two grid), further implying that the language is an increment of C++.
That’s specific enough that I have to assume you already knew that, though.
The year of Godot games is coming
This is far more likely than the year of the Linux desktop
I’ve looked into Godot for 2 hours and I already am learning how to write shaders. I feel like the available assets are going to skyrocket.
Because greed. Is there any other explanation?
Or because they got bigger than they can currently support and they don’t want to lay off their employees.
Unity has absolutely no qualms about laying off employees …
Then they’d use an actually sensible payment model like, gee, say taking a cut of the revenue made from unity games?
This is like being charged every time you eat off of a plate rather than just charging for the fucking plate.
sounds like you’ve missed a couple of days of the newest Unity drama
- [Gamesfromscratch] Unity’s New Pricing is … Awful
- [Gamesfromscratch] Develoers React to Unity Price Changes
Yes, did not hear any of this yet. thanks
Instead of revenue sharing like some places do Unity want a $0.20 fee , less depending on your sales numbers, for installing a unity game.
https://blog.unity.com/news/plan-pricing-and-packaging-updates
They announced a new business model effective next year. It’s plastered all over the net, just look up “Unity news” and you’ll get a ton of hits on it. Lots of coverage on YouTube as well.
They could promise to pay the developer a fee per install and it wouldn’t matter. You can’t trust them anymore.
yes
Unity’s current CEO is an ex-exec from EA. but at least it looks like in 2021 they got around to replacing the CFO from 2015, who was previously also an EA ex-exec that was hired as such the year after the CEO was brought on board from EA. The hirings coincided with many rapid, scummy changes to their subscriptions and dev support. I expect many lies yesterday, today, tomorrow, and beyond as they now focus on squeezing their non-subbed devs
EA: it’s cancer
