So I have an ulcer. I dry heave at least once a day and I haven’t eaten in 21 days. (Please do not give me advice, I hate it, I don’t want medical advice from people over the internet. At best, if you do, I’ll respond with a “thanks.”)
I’m in a somewhat smaller town, not really small, about 80,000 people maybe. There is exactly one gastroenterologist in this town. I went to him when I hadn’t eaten in 6 days. For a $50 copay, he said to take some Mylanta along with the Protonix I was already taking and call him in two weeks if I wasn’t better. So I call him yesterday. I talk to the nurse. I tell her all my symptoms, none of which have changed. She sounds very concerned.
I hear nothing all day. This morning, I call again. The doctor hasn’t even gotten to my information. So the nurse sends a message that I called again, which he probably also won’t see.
I have tried to get a second opinion, or just another prescription for something, but there is not a single gastroenterologist within a 90 minute drive that would see me within three months. I’m pretty sure if I don’t eat for three months, I’ll be pretty dead. I mean, I’m living on Ensure and Gatorade, but I doubt that will get me to three more months.
Oh, and this is the second time this has happened. The first time, I had to take a bunch of tests like a CT scan and an X-Ray and a blood panel and they found nothing. I had a scheduled colonoscopy anyway, so they just went down my throat as well and that’s when they found the ulcer. No one even suggested an ulcer before that.
Why am I saying all of this? I’m not even complaining about all of this. I’m complaining about the fact that this has cost me almost $2000 already and I feel lucky because I have good insurance. I’m not poor, but I don’t really have $2000 to spare. I’m paying it off in installments, but god damn, I have to pay all of this money and they have stopped even giving a shit about me.
What would someone in my position without insurance even do? Die? That’s what conservatives fucking want.
We need universal healthcare and a complete overhaul of the healthcare system now.
And any time you hear someone complain about how long a wait you have in Canada or the UK to see someone to help you and how America has the best healthcare system in the world and how people from other countries come here for treatment, send them to this post before telling them to get fucked.
TL;DR No one gives a shit about you in American healthcare except maybe the nurses and all they do is suck money out of your bank account.
My doctor’s nurse called me up and said I had a high liver enzyme. “What does that mean?” “You can’t drink alcohol.” “But what’s going on with my liver?” “I don’t have the details, you’ll have to talk to the doctor.” The doctor moved away before I could get in to see her.
I called her partner. “New patients are six months out.” Six month’s later: “Sorry the doctor moved away.”
Pick a random doctor in the phone book. “New patients are six months out.” Six months pass. I miss the appointment. “I want to reschedule.” “Sorry, the doctor won’t see patients who miss their first appointment.” I’m trying to get in to the next doctor. So far I have no idea what’s wrong with my liver.
Among other problems, it turns out our local health care group was bought out by venture capitalists. Their mismanagement is part of why so many doctors are leaving.
When I talked to the nurse yesterday, she asked how much Ensure I was drinking. I said I had a bottle twice a day. She said, “that’s all you’re having?” I asked if I should drink it more often and she said, “I would, but don’t take my advice because I’m not the doctor.” Gee, thanks lady.
I know you don’t want advice. I know, but, there are meal replacements, that aren’t nothing but sugar, corn and soy crap, and are much more nutritionally complete. May be worth looking into them. Huel and Soylent (sold in Target for sure) are the first that come to mind. I understand if your reply is “thanks” just wanted to throw that out there, because I feel your pain.
I have ALL kinds of GI issues. The latest GI I saw, after waiting like 2 years during covid (had one appt before lockdowns, and then had to wait), and then another like 4 months after I called to book an appointment, ran a HIDA scan, which came back as low/abnormal. His answer? Oh, well it’s too close to normal to do surgery, so just take miralax and don’t eat fatty foods. Gee thanks, why didn’t I think of that, professionally trained guesser extortionist? When asked if there were going to be long term effects from taking a laxative, like, idk making constipation worse, his answer? IDK, maybe?
Good luck
I don’t think I could handle Soylent from what I’ve seen and read about it. I can just about take the Ensure without feeling too sick. I think the sweetness actually helps.
But now I’m just stunned. The gastro’s nurse just called me back and said first thing, “he wants you to have small and regular meals.” I don’t know how many more times I have to tell this asshole that I’m not eating.
That’s a severe calorie deficit. A friend who had ulcers told me about ensure plus, it’s like 350 calories per bottle vs 220 for regular ensure. 3 or more a day should help keep you from wasting away while the medical system does what it does. The nurse probably isn’t legally allowed to give medical advice, but they absolutely know their shit and I would definitely listen to whatever “suggestions” they give you.
Not defending the American medical system, or your specific provider, some are truly just in it for the money. However, the system kind of makes you complicit if you want to keep your doors open.
Providers are leaving the field in droves, especially the specialist. Management usually has full control over your time, and tends to pack in more patients than it’s really possible to treat and follow up on. The compensation isn’t really a huge motivating factor, especially for younger providers. There are plenty more financially rewarding jobs out there that require a lot less schooling and working hours.
I’m not saying that you need to do this, but if there are others in your situation who would like some advice…
Two teaspoons of sodium alginate, one teaspoon calcium carbonate, and one teaspoon of baking soda mixed together via electric hand frother will create a thick slime that helps coat your stomach lining. It’s been proven to reduce the symptoms that cause ulcerations, and proven to aid other treatments for peptic ulcers.
It also has the benefit of expanding in your stomach to make it feel as if you have eaten, which tends to help with some of the nausea.
You’re the person that made the “shitting out the neck of their shirt” comment that had me dying laughing. 🤣
I’ve started just getting bloodwork done out of pocket instead of: going to a doctor, getting the blood work order, going to the lab, getting the draw, making an appointment with the doctor again, returning, and then getting the results.
Now I just pay $50, get the results myself, and then go to a doctor if I need to address something in the results that I can’t figure out by googling. I know it’s absurd, and I have insurance, but to get one blood test is an hour to go to the doctor, wait, go to the clinic room, wait, talk to the doctor for 5min, leave, go to the lab, repeat, then go back to the doctor abs do it again. It ends up being like 3-4 hours over multiple days and in the middle of the workday. For the doctor, it’s two 5min conversations that are PART of their workday.
So, yeah. I tend to just run my own diagnostic blood tests and Google. That’s how inconvenient and frustrating the medical system is even WITH insurance.
And, to be clear, I don’t suggest anyone else do this.
Might be worth trying to get the records, they’re legally obligated to give them to you on request.
That was morally painful to read.
As someone who lives in a country with a national healthcare system, this kind of situation just disgusts me.
You’d probably be in an hospital bed here, waiting for emergency surgery, considering your condition.
I sincerely hope you can find any other doctor capable of helping you, quickly.
Thank you very much. I appreciate it. I wish I lived in a sane country.
It’s fucked and I’m sorry you’re a victim to it.
There are small pockets where it doesn’t suck. My current company has amazing benefits where my youngest had to have major surgery and it literally cost $100. My previous company however my wife had to have minor surgery and 6 years later we still owe them $23k. We’re paying it off slowly…
$23k is insane. This is what I mean. It’s so broken.
Very much so!
Honestly, I got much better and more attentive medical care when I was broke and on Medicaid than in the years since I got private insurance.
Like you said, it takes forever to get an appointment (which might get cancelled without rescheduling) and when you do go in, they just refer you somewhere else, possibly out-of-network. At the Medicaid clinics, they do it all in-house and typically same-day.
I’m fully on the Medicaid for All train.
I’d say Medicare for all. It’s even better than Medicaid.
What would someone in my position without insurance even do? Die?
Even those who have good insurance and can afford …… my doctor’s office stopped refilling my prescription, stopped returning my calls, after he had expressed concern about not wanting me to “stroke out” over my condition. I doubt it magically fixed itself, but I’m still having a hard time overcoming inertia to find a new doctor
As a former healthcare support staff professional and current medical student, I want you to know that I hate it just as much as you do. I can’t make any explanations for that GI, but my least favorite part of medicine is when there isn’t a good answer, or enough time, or the right treatment is just too expensive…I hate it when the capitalist bullshit medical system gets in the way of actually practicing medicine.
I know you don’t want advice, but I want to share some information that may be important and helpful for you: recent studies have shown ulcers are essentially an infection and antibiotics have some success in treating them.
For too long doctors thought it had to do with stress or diet, but it’s an infection.
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Sorry to hear about everything you’re going through and how much it costs for no treatment. I think a lot of doctors do care but they are overworked and have to constantly battle hospitals and insurance companies. A lot of them seem to be seeing less patients which is not going to be good, and many are retiring or burning out. There are also now more seniors than people under 17, the seniors require more care. Article on the doctor shortage: https://time.com/6199666/physician-shortage-challenges-solutions/
Thanks. I understand what you’re saying, but when I tell a doctor I’m not eating twice and he says to me keep taking your pills before you eat, I don’t think he gives a fuck. He seems like a nice enough guy, but he’s apparently a terrible doctor. And I don’t have anyone else I can go to. I mean I know why. This is one of the shittiest towns in the country, Terre Haute, Indiana, but still…
Yeah that doctor definitely is not doing their job. What do you call the person that finishes LAST in medical school? Doctor.
I was concerned when I first met him. The guy has terrible teeth. That alone is not a good sign of a doctor. A doctor that doesn’t care about his own health?
Yikes. He doesn’t sound like the guy for the job.
Is there any way you can see a doctor near Indianapolis, or maybe one of the towns between you and there? I know that places a burden on you, which should not be necessary. However, one unfortunate aspect of our healthcare system is that you often must advocate for yourself to get decent results. This is even true (especially true) of mental health, which doesn’t exactly make a ton of sense.
My PCP and a treatment center I go to for one of my medications are both about a half hour away, because I don’t want to change away from them. If you can make a one-hour drive to a new doctor happen, it may be worth it for your health and sanity.
I’ve called those doctors and none of them have time to see me. No one within a 90 minute drive. Although I’m wondering if I just go to an ER in Indy and demand to see a gastroenterologist if that would work.
Jeez. At this point I might just make appointments anywhere I could get them, even further away, and see if I like the first ones to get me seen. Granted, that’s easier said than done.
The ER route might have some potential as first step too. A legitimate one ass well. I mean this sounds to me like an emergency that is threatening your health in the short term.
I just don’t know if the ER route would work and it would end up with another huge bill.
Profit motives in health care are fucking stupid. End of discussion.
Sorry to hear that…
I appreciate it.
This probably won’t help you since you live in a small town.
Finding a doctor in the united states sucks. Literally the worst experience I have ever had was transitioning to a PPO insurance policy after being in a combine managed HMO / healthcare group.
People told me for years “oh, that health care provider sucks. You get sub par care and nobody ever knows your name.” You know what else I got? Same day doctor visits and same day specialists, literally anytime I wanted or needed anything. I had reasonable medical care at a reasonable schedule for a reasonable price.
When my insurance switched to a PPO, people told me “oh, you will love this doctor! He is so great!” And… every… single… time… it is exactly as you described. “New patients are 6 months out.” And when I finally got a primary care doctor, they would recommend specialist who were their friends also in private practices with 6 months waiting lists.
Private practice medical care is an absolute joke. It’s another shitty system the boomers saw their parents use successfully that simply doesn’t work today.
The solution was to find a high quality medical group in my city. It took me nearly a year to figure it out. Same day doctor visits? Done. Same week specialists? Done. Same system / in network urgent care at the same price as a regular doctors visit? Done.
I don’t care which doctor I see, I just need medical care.
Exactly. I just want someone to help me. Apparently that’s too much to ask.
Wait, they didn’t prescribe you anything when they found the ulcer?
They did. Protonix.
Huh. That doesn’t seem like much for something that stops you from eating, but I guess I’m not a doctor, or privy to the details of your ulcer. I remember when I went in with an ulcer they acted like it was full red alert.
Anyway, I sympathize. I still have to bounce around between gastroenterologists because I have the same problem getting in - and half the doctors in my area leave after a short time here. “You need a new gastroenterologist” invariably ends up with a lot of “We’re not taking new patients, please call back in a couple of months”.
Thanks. We did research on it and loss of appetite is one of the symptoms. See here, for example under ‘loss of weight.’: https://www.manhattangastroenterology.com/8-signs-you-may-have-a-stomach-ulcer/
I’m so sorry you have to go through all this crap. I’m lucky that I live in the Houston area, so tons of doctors and even luckier that I have amazing health insurance. Still had to pay thousands of dollars for a surgery since the insurance didn’t want to cover it (it was slightly “experimental”, but it also worked). The US system is screwed up, favors the wealthy, and has lots of profit motives that are counter productive for the “consumers”.
What I hate is that people defend it. I hear arguments about how if there was a one payer system then doctor choice and quality would go down, or that it would hurt rural hospitals. And it’s just all false, but no matter how much you show studies or explain they just keep pivoting. It’s not even a majority of people, but since it’s a vocal minority that votes more, it still hasn’t changed.
Christ, thats fucking horrible
My problems aren’t anywhere near as bad as yours, but I’ll add my own complaints to comiserate at least.
My wife is a type 1 diabetic. I have a pre-diabetic A1C (type 2) that i inherited from my mom. My insurance (Blue Cross Blue Shield) claims they cover preventative care. But they refuse to cover our regular A1C tests - it’s not preventative because they already know what you have. As a BCBS support person told me, if they’re throwing spaghetti at the wall, its preventative. If they’re aiming for a spot - it’s no longer considered “preventative”. So thats like $600 - $1000 a year. Chump change compared to many in this thread, I know.
Also, for some reason, they only offer coverage for one type of insulin - novolog - which happens to be the one insulin that causes my wife issues. She’s type-1, so her immune system killed her insulin production at around 5 years old. She’s dependent on insulin to survive and uses an insulin pump. Novalog is less effective than literally every other insulin for her - which means she has to take more - which means more risk of long term problems. This insulin also requires a pre-bolus (basically taking insulin) of 1-2 hours before every meal. That means every meal has to be preplanned and prepared for or she starts a rollercoaster of highs and lows. Humalog, aphidra, fiasp? All work more efficiently and within like 15-30 minutes.
The local HMO my work used before offered tiered options. We could pay a bit more for a better option. I would have no problem paying double to get her Humalog. BCBS says no. Novalog or pay out of pocket.
I have occasional headaches that start in the back of my neck that turn into bouts of depression followed by mania a few days later. My neurologist wanted to do a full MRI panel to look for issues. Insurance denies it - medically unnecessary. The neurologist appeals and they’re like “fine fine, but we’ll only cover the head, not the neck” even though the pain started from my neck. They don’t find anything in the head. So the neurologist says, “well unless you want to pay out of pocket, we can’t check the source so…assume it’s just migranes?”
Oh and by “cover”, I mean they paid a small part of it. It still cost me $1,500 to do the ones that were “covered”.
That’s a smattering of the interactions I’ve had with my insurance that I can remember right now.
My parents are retired and on medicare. They pay far less and get way better medical care than I do with one of the biggest private insurance chains in the country. Go figure.
I’m really sorry to hear all of that. It’s ridiculous how expensive insulin can be. It’s not that expensive in other countries.
Thank for your sympathy, friend.
What’s hilarious is that the government recently passed legislation to cap the cost of most formularies of insulin to $35…for medicare recipients. I’ve checked, the vast majority of formularies are participating now.
But if you are reliant on private insurance (because medicare is for seniors), you can fuck right the hell off. You pay what we tell you to. BCBS has not expanded their preferred formulary list beyond this one shitty formulary and I don’t expect them to.
Oh and if you’re like my wife and your insurance only covers a formulary that causes you problems and a demonstratively higher A1C as a result, well you can buy vials out of pocket for $600 - $1000 for a month’s supply.
I’m glad that medicare is as great as it is and have no problem paying into it as a tax-paying citizen, but private insurance is the problem that most of us are dealing with and nobody is doing anything to address it.
