Germany here. Second largest city in the country. There are two places here that diagnose adults. Waiting list says 3-6 years. Afterwards you can get therapy to enable you to work. That’s it. Meaning that you can get therapy if you’re either jobless or on disability pay. I’m neither because I have the benefit of being a stay-at-home wife so I don’t need any help according to our society.
To the downvoter: if you have any other information please let me know. I’d love to know of other options.
Not autistic but I feel your displeasure at the complete lack of actual help. I’ve had fibromyalgia for nearly a decade now (since 21) and it took 8 years of doctors telling me it was all in my head, anxiety, depression, et cetera to get an actual diagnosis.
I feel so exhausted/in pain/traumatised that I feel like I’ll be scraping by on disability for the rest of my life. I feel broken.
Or it could be that some folks live in areas with no access to mental health treatment. Even a diagnosis is a year long waitlist, costs a K and isn’t covered by insurance. Some us have also been seriously traumatized by therapists (conversion therapy for queer folks, ABA, being medicated inappropriately as a child…) Some states also maintain registries of folks with ASD and it can interfere with the ability to emigrate for example.
“Just go get mental health treatment!” Sounds great on paper, but for some of us it’s months of waiting to see the bottom of the barrel - brain drain is real in red states. My state is simultaneously trying to force therapists/mental health professionals to upload client notes to a government portal, while also attempting to put together lists of trans people.
Stop downvoting this dude - Yeah, they’re being offputting and shitty, and the tone seems to suggest the dysfunction in those who suffer from autism is somehow their own fault, but this is a valid opinion.
Shitty opinion to keep, but we should practice using our words to express displeasure instead of just downvoting - the votes mean nothing. Or atleast downvote and ALSO leave a reply. That way, someone reading this will see that there are people who cared enough to leave a comment.
You are correct that downvoting is kind of pointless.
On the other hand, there has been a bunch of accounts attending this forum lately which appear to act in bad faith (e.g. pathologising and not being interested in the ND point of view, stirring up emotions, sealioning). Interacting with such people will likely lead to a fruitless discussion that just draws energy. These people could look up the non-pathologising resources which were posted already if they were interested.
We probably should be aware that there are indeed people who are really scared of any changes to their pathologic-normative competitive model of society. Scared so much that they will get to aggressive efforts to counteract any healing efforts. It probably boils down to the question, “what to do with cognitive dissonance?”
I’m now inclined to not argue/compete but just check someone’s sincerety by asking like, “what is your function in society and what would perhaps be your natural function according to your set of traits, and how can this serve a cure and sustainable future for human civilisation?” (thanks @BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world for originally posting this link)
Re-posting and amending this with my other account, as this is supposed to be the more lucid one.
… And yeah, i am aware that the OP account we are responding to has to date only made this single comment in this forum.
Thanks for the reply. I usually prefer not to comment, but the thread parent comment was so antagonistic that I first typed out a scathing reply, but then had a moment where I just went “But why?” instead.
I don’t think that bad faith actors actually take the effort out of a place of fear. Instead I think trolling is just for its own sake - if in a moment of clarity someone thinks “Why?” they’d see there’s no point to it. I can’t imagine that anyone would be afraid of something that affects them so little. Autism treatments and lifestyle adjustments seem very far from the usual polarising topics trending today. Its like getting angry your local supermarket added a wheelchair ramp.
Do you think heavier moderation can help in weeding out bad faith actors or will that stifle opposing opinions too much?
Autism treatments and lifestyle adjustments seem very far from the usual polarising topics trending today. Its like getting angry your local supermarket added a wheelchair ramp.
A supermarket in Switzerland started a silent shopping hour twice a week. You can’t imagine how many people argued against it…
I think that heavy moderation (moderators stepping in with warnings, locks, bans) should be a last resort. I wish for more soft moderation in that the regular subscribers could a job to really act as a kind of community they claim to be have been falsely labeled. Most such ill-informed opinions could be countered by pointing to previously made posts which contain some relevant links, for example.
You guys know that a lot of medications that target severe mental health issues are also used off label for autism right?
There are also therapists that specialize in adult autism. They are just less common.
This entire thread is just a shitty justification for not taking meaningful steps to treat your mental health issues.
EDIT: Honestly I think the real issue is that the vast majority of you are self diagnosed and looking for reasons to not see a doctor.
Germany here. Second largest city in the country. There are two places here that diagnose adults. Waiting list says 3-6 years. Afterwards you can get therapy to enable you to work. That’s it. Meaning that you can get therapy if you’re either jobless or on disability pay. I’m neither because I have the benefit of being a stay-at-home wife so I don’t need any help according to our society.
To the downvoter: if you have any other information please let me know. I’d love to know of other options.
Not autistic but I feel your displeasure at the complete lack of actual help. I’ve had fibromyalgia for nearly a decade now (since 21) and it took 8 years of doctors telling me it was all in my head, anxiety, depression, et cetera to get an actual diagnosis.
I feel so exhausted/in pain/traumatised that I feel like I’ll be scraping by on disability for the rest of my life. I feel broken.
It sucks big time!
Or it could be that some folks live in areas with no access to mental health treatment. Even a diagnosis is a year long waitlist, costs a K and isn’t covered by insurance. Some us have also been seriously traumatized by therapists (conversion therapy for queer folks, ABA, being medicated inappropriately as a child…) Some states also maintain registries of folks with ASD and it can interfere with the ability to emigrate for example.
“Just go get mental health treatment!” Sounds great on paper, but for some of us it’s months of waiting to see the bottom of the barrel - brain drain is real in red states. My state is simultaneously trying to force therapists/mental health professionals to upload client notes to a government portal, while also attempting to put together lists of trans people.
Stop downvoting this dude - Yeah, they’re being offputting and shitty, and the tone seems to suggest the dysfunction in those who suffer from autism is somehow their own fault, but this is a valid opinion.
Shitty opinion to keep, but we should practice using our words to express displeasure instead of just downvoting - the votes mean nothing. Or atleast downvote and ALSO leave a reply. That way, someone reading this will see that there are people who cared enough to leave a comment.
You are correct that downvoting is kind of pointless.
On the other hand, there has been a bunch of accounts attending this forum lately which appear to act in bad faith (e.g. pathologising and not being interested in the ND point of view, stirring up emotions, sealioning). Interacting with such people will likely lead to a fruitless discussion that just draws energy. These people could look up the non-pathologising resources which were posted already if they were interested.
We probably should be aware that there are indeed people who are really scared of any changes to their pathologic-normative competitive model of society. Scared so much that they will get to aggressive efforts to counteract any healing efforts. It probably boils down to the question, “what to do with cognitive dissonance?”
I’m now inclined to not argue/compete but just check someone’s sincerety by asking like, “what is your function in society and what would perhaps be your natural function according to your set of traits, and how can this serve a cure and sustainable future for human civilisation?” (thanks @BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world for originally posting this link)
Re-posting and amending this with my other account, as this is supposed to be the more lucid one.
… And yeah, i am aware that the OP account we are responding to has to date only made this single comment in this forum.
Thanks for the reply. I usually prefer not to comment, but the thread parent comment was so antagonistic that I first typed out a scathing reply, but then had a moment where I just went “But why?” instead.
I don’t think that bad faith actors actually take the effort out of a place of fear. Instead I think trolling is just for its own sake - if in a moment of clarity someone thinks “Why?” they’d see there’s no point to it. I can’t imagine that anyone would be afraid of something that affects them so little. Autism treatments and lifestyle adjustments seem very far from the usual polarising topics trending today. Its like getting angry your local supermarket added a wheelchair ramp.
Do you think heavier moderation can help in weeding out bad faith actors or will that stifle opposing opinions too much?
A supermarket in Switzerland started a silent shopping hour twice a week. You can’t imagine how many people argued against it…
Interesting, what does it mean … do they just turn off the speakers or are people asked to be quiet, too?
They turn down speakers and the beeping at the checkout as well as lights. And yes, people are asked to speak in a low voice.
Feels nice 🙂
… one more thought … if there are many who complain about it, the ones who are happy about it should also raise their opinions.
I think that heavy moderation (moderators stepping in with warnings, locks, bans) should be a last resort. I wish for more soft moderation in that the regular subscribers could a job to really act as a kind of community they
claim to behave been falsely labeled. Most such ill-informed opinions could be countered by pointing to previously made posts which contain some relevant links, for example.no
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