My primary argument is that they post hateful content and covid conspiracies and it is irresponsible to platform this by including it in our federation. Secondly we already got rid of lemmygrad. Thirdly, there’s little to be lost in the defederation given the type of stuff being posted over there. Do as thou wilt

Aye and nays pls

Edit: putting the screencaps I posted below here for clarity

I should probably put a content warning so

CW: homophobia, transphobia, and just being a shithead.

Edit 2: let’s try not to downvote people just saying nay. Unless they are making bad faith arguments we should respect their opinions even if we disagree.

Edit 3: Imma be real with y’all, this has been a real shitshow. We gotta work out some kinda single voting infrastructure because the ayes and Nays isn’t efficient at all.

  • Contextual Idiot@sh.itjust.works
    31·
    1 year ago

    I understand what you’re saying, and to some extent I agree. The worst of the worst in that instance know exactly what they’re doing. I’m not saying we should argue directly with them.

    I’m saying that by remaining federated with them, we act as a counter to their hate, and allow their users to experience posts that the instance can’t control. We aren’t going to change the minds of the worst of the worst. But we can change the minds of the average person.

      • Contextual Idiot@sh.itjust.works
        21·
        1 year ago

        I’m going to quote myself from another discussion in this thread, because I’m getting sleepy now.

        I don’t believe that every user on that instance is as bad as those folks, and the only way to make sure they don’t end up like that is to show them another way.

        And I wanted to reply to this:

        I’d rather have them wallow in a barren land of their own creation than run the risk of seeing them convert another impressionable person.

        We know they won’t though. Like when the_donald was quarantined and banned, they’ll simply spread out to other instances. And instead of one hydra head, you’ll have many to deal with.

        Ultimately, we may end up needing to defederate with them. But I want to try showing the regular people on that instance that their way of thinking isn’t the only way. And that it’s not a good way of thinking.

        Thanks for the discussion. My body yearns for my bed, and my mind too sleepy to argue. If you want to continue, I’ll reply tonight.