My primary argument is that they post hateful content and covid conspiracies and it is irresponsible to platform this by including it in our federation. Secondly we already got rid of lemmygrad. Thirdly, there’s little to be lost in the defederation given the type of stuff being posted over there. Do as thou wilt

Aye and nays pls

Edit: putting the screencaps I posted below here for clarity

I should probably put a content warning so

CW: homophobia, transphobia, and just being a shithead.

Edit 2: let’s try not to downvote people just saying nay. Unless they are making bad faith arguments we should respect their opinions even if we disagree.

Edit 3: Imma be real with y’all, this has been a real shitshow. We gotta work out some kinda single voting infrastructure because the ayes and Nays isn’t efficient at all.

  • 🐱TheCat@sh.itjust.works
    3·
    1 year ago

    I see 10 pics, which feature heavily the same 4-5 people.

    Now let me ask you, do you think I can’t find similar evidence on most of these instances if I go looking? Especially if I find 2 or 3 toxic users to follow around for 5 or more days?

    • kukkurovaca@sh.itjust.works
      12·
      1 year ago

      The question is not, are there some assholes there, the question is whether the admin/moderators there are operating a right wing extremist troll farm. So for example, is bigotry taken down promptly (or at all) when it’s reported? Or is it left up?

      I think in this case it’s quite easy to say chuck 'em. But there is absolutely a need to discuss standards and a repeatable process for defederation generally, because this certainly won’t be the last time it comes up, either way. I started a discussion thread here

      • 🐱TheCat@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        1 year ago

        undefined> So for example, is bigotry taken down promptly (or at all) when it’s reported? Or is it left up?

        Has that evidence been shown here? Also, can we say that admins are maliciously leaving stuff up at this point when the reddit migration is actively taking place, and everyone is overwhelmed?

        For now the question seems to be simply ‘are there some assholes there?’ because thats all this evidence shows.

        While Im on it, pictures are especially bad evidence IN GENERAL. They are easy to edit, easy to strip context, and difficult to check. I understand why we wouldn’t want to link directly to objectionable content but if we are talking about defederation (which is the NUKE button) there needs to be better evidence than 10 pictures of 4-5 users for ME.

        I think they are low hanging fruit that would represent no GREAT loss if chucked, but I also think this is a good chance for everyone here to think deeper about the process for this.

        • kukkurovaca@sh.itjust.works
          11·
          1 year ago

          See first post in previous thread on the main community: https://sh.itjust.works/post/151703

          Not an ideal response to a report, to say the least.

          I think they are low hanging fruit that would represent no GREAT loss if chucked, but I also think this is a good chance for everyone here to think deeper about the process for this.

          I agree! Kicking these questions to the newly formed “Agora” without defining a process (which was done after there was already substantial discussion on exploding heads which surfaced more than enough material for admin to make a decision IMO) invites this kind of “well shit, let’s vote then” thread.

          But if the instance is going to be healthy going forward, standards and a process are a must.