If Democrats were smart, they’d put a kibosh on this idea immediately.
But knowing how much they love to shoot themselves in the foot, there are going to be a few rogue Democrats who will continue to float this idiotic idea just long enough to lose a few more elections.
The only people bringing up reparations are those who want to spoil the election for Biden. Mostly foreign actors pretending to be soooo progressive that their liberal guilt pushes them to want to give out reparations.
I have no doubt foreign agents help seed this stuff - there is boundless evidence of how Russia did this for 2016 for sure. But there are just enough idiots with lots and lots of time on their hands that pick this stuff up and then shrilly start denouncing others that point out that their endless sanctimony is not going to win hearts and minds of most Americans…
I think this seems to flange in with Bob Altemeyer’s work on Right Wing Authoritarians (RWAs) - he doesn’t spend much time talking about left wing ones because they are not much of a problem at this time and this place (U.S. and Canada). But you can see a glimmer of some of authoritarian tendencies in those that argue this way - they don’t CARE about winning hearts and minds, they’ll say, because their orthodoxy is correct and it just should BE. Without question. They don’t even think they should have to explain anything about their beliefs, either, most especially if they tick off some boxes on the Oppression Olympics.
Again, I think they are a tiny, tiny sliver of what makes up the left, but the noise they generate and the power they wield in some forums is hard not to notice. I think the only thing they achieve is some kind of point-scoring system that only matters in their heads, and helping to hand elections to Republicans. I’m sure they think they are winning some kind of progress on intersectionality or something, but what I think most others see are people that are very broken from a mental standpoint and who are ruining the brand of progressivism.
But let’s be clear, we all know you never even bothered to click on any of the links. You’re not looking for answers, you’re just here to waste people’s time, do some trolling and spread some bullshit around.
No, no. I can assure you that here in the bay area, there are people who have bought so heavily into this kind of ridiculousness that they are true believers. And these people have bureaucratic power. Not at the top, but in middle management, “let’s schedule a meeting to plan our next meeting” levels of government, academia, etc.
They’re not plants. They’re just stupid. Or naive.
I do think there are an awful lot of people that have bought into it that are not foreign actors - if you venture into Oppression Olympics type of zones of the 'net and you’ll find them. I suppose some of those might be agents looking to put Republicans into power, but in some cases, questioning the ridiculous, childish orthodoxy (all xtian white cishet men bad; virtually anyone else is good) is bound to get you banned or at least your comment deleted in some of these zones, so it’s also moderators.
I fear this kind of stuff is what harms progress in this country so much. I’m pretty sure people adhering to absurd, ivory tower, useless orthodoxy are a very, very tiny minority, but any time they say/do something really dumb (stuff like this, or “defund the police”), it gets picked up by the fascists and all progressives get painted with this brush - which, going by polls on issues, is most of the country.
I think it is a mix. Some of the people you mention might have first heard about this nonsense from some bad actor (fascists posing as liberals) who was spreading lies, and now they are taking up the mantel for real.
When it all comes down to it, the regular Left (not the extreme “liberal guilt” idiots) do an awful job at getting their point across to middle America. They do a terrible job at communicating with average Joes. They don’t understand how to connect with real people. They do such a bad job at it, that they actively push away people who should be welcomed to their fold.
On the flip side, Republicans have done an amazing job at painting themselves as “real Americans” and have commandeered the blue collar, hardworking, cowboy, freedom-loving image all while their number one lord emperor is a billionaire from the bluest of states who shits in a gold plated toilet and wants to over-rule democracy. It is a master-class in marketing and image.
Yes, this. This seems like a redux of “defund the police”. And wow, do some on the left just seem to love the constant infighting and hairsplitting so much more than winning actual hearts and minds…
If people want more Republicans, this is how we get them…
It’s like some of these people ENJOY losing elections just so they have something to bitch and moan about. They will find any position to be as abrasive and counter to public opinion as they can possibly think of just to be edgy. Your “defund the police” is a perfect example. I hate the cops as much as anyone else, but holy fuck is the defund movement so utterly ridiculous. Push for more accountability. Push for better training. Push for more public involvement in PD duties. But for fucks sakes most regular folks don’t want to see their police departments shuttered due to lack of funds.
Democrats are not going to lose elections in California over this or any other idea. Way too blue. Still probably not the best idea, but they won’t be losing elections over it.
If Republicans can translate California politics into national politics, Democrats may lose some elections.
If Democrats were smart, they’d put a kibosh on this idea immediately.
But knowing how much they love to shoot themselves in the foot, there are going to be a few rogue Democrats who will continue to float this idiotic idea just long enough to lose a few more elections.
https://www.theonion.com/this-may-not-be-the-ideal-moment-politically-but-it-s-1819584789
It is amazing how good the Onion is.
The only people bringing up reparations are those who want to spoil the election for Biden. Mostly foreign actors pretending to be soooo progressive that their liberal guilt pushes them to want to give out reparations.
do you have proof?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soYkEqDp760&t=9s
https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/politics/elections/fbi-election-interference-influencing-voters-concerns/275-a9d6d17c-da49-4131-b875-4362bb10bf06
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/foreign-actors-information-manipulation-tactics-2022-election-feds/story?id=91160649
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/06/technology/russia-misinformation-midterms.html
https://www.voanews.com/a/foreign-election-disinformation-campaigns-well-underway-researchers-say-/6789393.html
The FBI has been warning us about an online misinformation campaigns that has been going on for almost a decade now.
I have no doubt foreign agents help seed this stuff - there is boundless evidence of how Russia did this for 2016 for sure. But there are just enough idiots with lots and lots of time on their hands that pick this stuff up and then shrilly start denouncing others that point out that their endless sanctimony is not going to win hearts and minds of most Americans…
I think this seems to flange in with Bob Altemeyer’s work on Right Wing Authoritarians (RWAs) - he doesn’t spend much time talking about left wing ones because they are not much of a problem at this time and this place (U.S. and Canada). But you can see a glimmer of some of authoritarian tendencies in those that argue this way - they don’t CARE about winning hearts and minds, they’ll say, because their orthodoxy is correct and it just should BE. Without question. They don’t even think they should have to explain anything about their beliefs, either, most especially if they tick off some boxes on the Oppression Olympics.
Again, I think they are a tiny, tiny sliver of what makes up the left, but the noise they generate and the power they wield in some forums is hard not to notice. I think the only thing they achieve is some kind of point-scoring system that only matters in their heads, and helping to hand elections to Republicans. I’m sure they think they are winning some kind of progress on intersectionality or something, but what I think most others see are people that are very broken from a mental standpoint and who are ruining the brand of progressivism.
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none of those sources mention reparations at all
you should stop doing cointelpro shit
There it is!
There’s the idiotic response I was expecting.
But let’s be clear, we all know you never even bothered to click on any of the links. You’re not looking for answers, you’re just here to waste people’s time, do some trolling and spread some bullshit around.
calling me an idiot doesn’t canjure evidence into existence
someone is spreading bullshit, but it’s not me
I read them all
No, no. I can assure you that here in the bay area, there are people who have bought so heavily into this kind of ridiculousness that they are true believers. And these people have bureaucratic power. Not at the top, but in middle management, “let’s schedule a meeting to plan our next meeting” levels of government, academia, etc.
They’re not plants. They’re just stupid. Or naive.
This is how Trump wins reelection.
I do think there are an awful lot of people that have bought into it that are not foreign actors - if you venture into Oppression Olympics type of zones of the 'net and you’ll find them. I suppose some of those might be agents looking to put Republicans into power, but in some cases, questioning the ridiculous, childish orthodoxy (all xtian white cishet men bad; virtually anyone else is good) is bound to get you banned or at least your comment deleted in some of these zones, so it’s also moderators.
I fear this kind of stuff is what harms progress in this country so much. I’m pretty sure people adhering to absurd, ivory tower, useless orthodoxy are a very, very tiny minority, but any time they say/do something really dumb (stuff like this, or “defund the police”), it gets picked up by the fascists and all progressives get painted with this brush - which, going by polls on issues, is most of the country.
I think it is a mix. Some of the people you mention might have first heard about this nonsense from some bad actor (fascists posing as liberals) who was spreading lies, and now they are taking up the mantel for real.
When it all comes down to it, the regular Left (not the extreme “liberal guilt” idiots) do an awful job at getting their point across to middle America. They do a terrible job at communicating with average Joes. They don’t understand how to connect with real people. They do such a bad job at it, that they actively push away people who should be welcomed to their fold.
On the flip side, Republicans have done an amazing job at painting themselves as “real Americans” and have commandeered the blue collar, hardworking, cowboy, freedom-loving image all while their number one lord emperor is a billionaire from the bluest of states who shits in a gold plated toilet and wants to over-rule democracy. It is a master-class in marketing and image.
Yes, this. This seems like a redux of “defund the police”. And wow, do some on the left just seem to love the constant infighting and hairsplitting so much more than winning actual hearts and minds…
If people want more Republicans, this is how we get them…
Preach!
It’s like some of these people ENJOY losing elections just so they have something to bitch and moan about. They will find any position to be as abrasive and counter to public opinion as they can possibly think of just to be edgy. Your “defund the police” is a perfect example. I hate the cops as much as anyone else, but holy fuck is the defund movement so utterly ridiculous. Push for more accountability. Push for better training. Push for more public involvement in PD duties. But for fucks sakes most regular folks don’t want to see their police departments shuttered due to lack of funds.
Democrats are not going to lose elections in California over this or any other idea. Way too blue. Still probably not the best idea, but they won’t be losing elections over it.
If Republicans can translate California politics into national politics, Democrats may lose some elections.
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