• MotoAsh@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Imean, the USSR wasn’t even good socialism. They still used money for quite a large set of things, businesses were very much NOT worker owned in many places, people could be killed by the whims of authorities and a dictator… Yep, not even good socialism got to space first.

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      1 year ago

      I mean, not having money is a communism thing, not socialism.

      But most businesses in the USSR were co-ops or state-owned.

      I’m not in the “the dictatorship of the proletariat is identical to collective ownership” camp, but I mean, that is in the end a difference of ideology regarding what socialism really is.

      And…. What dictator? I mean, all that “there’s no freedom in the USSR, if Stalin thinks you’re ugly you go to the gulag” is 100% propaganda, right? I mean the CIA admitted in their secret reports that not even Stalin was really a dictator, but that disclosing that wouldn’t be politically favourable to the US.

      And like… I don’t think the USSR killed anymore people than the US or Europe lmao

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        1 year ago

        “there’s no freedom in the USSR, if Stalin thinks you’re ugly you go to the gulag” is 100% propaganda, right?

        Sure buddy. That was just a psyop that the MAN wants us to believe so we don’t revolt and bring back communism.

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          1 year ago

          Oh no, I’m brainwashed! Lmao

          Sure buddy. Go back to believing everything your school textbooks and journalists on TV have been saying since the Cold War.

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              1 year ago

              And I do do that. But any discussion or discourse on this is muddled with Nazi propaganda talking points, and it’s impossible to truly praise and truly critique the USSR without people calling you a “tankie”…