• trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      I’m saying that should be the norm.

      I’m calling for systemic change. Individual people making choices to have democratic processes in their businesses is not enough.

      You’re like a serf going “Go move to a republic 🥶.”

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        You’re like a serf going “Go move to a republic 🥶.”

        Wait, what? A serf cannot move without the king’s permission. You, I, and everyone can make it a preference to join a co-op or union work place with every job move.

        Are there many co-op positions available in my area and field? No. Unions? No.
        Do I have a preference for them? Yes.
        Maybe I will have to start one.

        One step at a time is better than no steps.

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          Sure, one step at a time is great. It’s just not a replacement for systemic change.

          If you can unionize or start a co-op, do it! Any amount of worker power will help the overall cause.

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            Systemic change requires state violence as you have to convince the benefactors of capitalism to give up their property and powe. The only way to accomplish this state violence is with a bureaucracy and concentration of power. Tada: You created Stalinism. Again. Just like the last 20 times socialism was tried by big picture “revolutions”

            I don’t think worker rebellions get you where you need, so come up with an alternate route.

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          I think the issue would be that currently it is not feasible for workers to start co-ops. Subsidies for worker co-ops would be a good option