• Pons_Aelius@kbin.social
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      1 year ago

      Can you give one example of a long-term, large scale, non-hierarchical system in human society?

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        Ya. Why won’t these fools realize that if something’s never been done before on a large scale to perfection, it’s because it’s clearly impossible. Get on your knees like the rest of us, change is never any good

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          So that is a no?

          I am not knocking communism. I am knocking humans.

          Capitalism and communism are two sides of the same coin.

          And the name of the coin is scarcity. While there is limited resources, humans will fuck over others to get more.

          Both are attempts to parcel out scarce resources.

          Both fail because those that have the power to apportion those resources will favour themselves and their inner circle over the rest of the society.

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            I think the difference is the incentive structure. Communism has incidental corruption from humans. Capitalism literally rewards it, directly, buy turning capital into a zero sum game.

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      This is the first time I’ve seen someone directly admit to being in the grip of magical thinking.

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        Magical thinking, i.e. they don’t agree with our current flawed system and can see the potential of a better way?

        Well if that’s your first time, I feel sorry for you. You must hang out with some truly shitty people.

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          You literally said people will “magically” go away. If you have no system to prevent people from forming power structures, some of them will. If you do have one, it’s a power structure in itself.