Hey guys,
Years and years ago, Reddit had a sub where you could discuss darknet markets. For those uninitiated, a darknet market is a Tor hidden service where you can buy contraband with cryptocurrency.
Unfortunately, several years ago, Reddit shut down this sub because it “violated new rules about the sale of illegal goods” and most of that discussion has moved elsewhere. But with the rules being looser on the fediverse, would anyone be interested in setting up a forum for such discussion here? Would the admins here even allow it?
I’m really excited about how Lemmy can bring back certain communities disallowed by Reddit.
Put it on a smaller Instance, based out of a location where this law does not exist.
Beauty of the fediverse
It really depends on the instance and their own rules. Some might allow it, while others wouldn’t. It would definetely need to be aggressively moderated to avoid promoting any illegal sales, etc.
Only admins of the various instances can really clarify this.
I think the purpose of the dark net markets is specifically to enable illegal purchases
Talking about and actively promoting it are 2 different things. Also not everything sold there is illegal.
I think it could be considered promoting if people are actively linking and sharing. Not to say it shouldn’t be created, but that’s probably grounds for a lot of instances to defederating (whether that’s a good or bad thing).
It would definetely be a tight balance, but it’s possible.
I wonder if an instance can be created with an onion address and federated. It wouldn’t have to be JUST dark net market stuff but could also be anyone super privacy focused. I’m thinking either all Lemmy and kbin instances would need a local tor router or it would need a frontend proxy address.
Someone on one of the privacy communities were talking about a tor hosted Lemmy ~week ish ago and said a few people were working on getting one up. Not sure on the specifics though.
I wonder if an instance can be created with an onion address and federated. It wouldn’t have to be JUST dark net market stuff but could also be anyone super privacy focused.
So, personally, I don’t want to be even close to that stuff, because I’ve seen the damages the undernet can do.
But, far from me to be the voice of censorship. I haven’t pirated a single game or book in years, and yet, I actively follow scene news, and talked with others about stuff like Z-Library, clearly on the side in favor of the pirates.
So, exercising what empathy I think appropriate, I think the very last thing you want to do is ask for permission. Because others might not give it to you, no matter the legality of your intents. Specially if you openly say it revolves “contraband”.
Go find an instance specifically made for people who do want to talk that stuff, and others will defederate from you when they notice it. The dream of a single platform that allows it like Reddit used to is gone, but multi-accounting is a thing. You shouldn’t even be making this thread, you will just give the issue attention and spread the word to your peers that Lemmy isn’t an option. Attention was how the gore and violent porn and the loli lemmies got so swiftly removed, which is a stark contrast to how reddit operated (something something spez and jailbait). But they’re still there (probably). Just not searchable from here or lemmynsfw.
ive seen the damages the undernet can do.
Reminds me i gotta get new swimming trunks before vacation
good topic for the communities on dbzer0 !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
I second this, dbzer0 might be willing to entertain a community dedicated to this kind of thing.
If anything, DB0 probably shouldn’t. Only break 1 law at a time. Rights-holders would love to use anti-terrorism, anti-drug, or whatever other laws to take down a piracy site
Yeah, those are very good concerns, and in his position (I understand the instance is named after it’s admin), I would be wary. But he pays the operating costs and he opens himself to liability, which means the decision is his to make. I can only say it’s the one instance I know of that seems to be leaning into the spirit of self-determination through self-hosting.
Technically yes. Due to the way Lemmy works, there are no Lemmy-wide terms of service.
HOWEVER
You would need to find an instance whose admins are willing to host that discussion. Otherwise you’d find yourself banned fairly swiftly as J. Random Admin wouldn’t want to touch it with a barge pole. You would also find that instance eventually gets defederated.
I don’t think lemmy is supposed to be a home for illegal things but I imagine an individual instance can do whatever they want
I was promised the fediverse was a lawless place where we could discuss whatever we wanted. What I’m now hearing is that I’ll need to find somewhere else to discuss my plans for genetically engineered mice, one with a 9th level genius, and the other somewhat insane?
This is bullshit and I demand a refund!
You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
Number one mistake when doing shit: asking NPCs for approval.
Well, it’s not illegal to talk about buying drugs online, right? I think the legal implications are much smaller than people think, especially with Lemmy still being pretty niche. But I’ll probably try hosting on a smaller instance and see how it goes.
Lemmy may be niche but it’s extremely easy to monitor. There’s a fine line between discussion and facilitation. It’s all a matter of how risk adverse you are.
Discussion on a topic is not illegal imo. If anything it’s actuallly good, as if you’re gonna do something anyway, it’s best to have information on it.
Abstinence or lack of sex-ed doesn’t solve anything. The war on drugs solved nothing. Information saves lifes.
You’ll have to check instances for rules and see if one already exists on https://lemmyverse.net (I wasn’t able to find one with tor, dark, darkweb, so maybe you’ll need to create the community.)
This makes me wonder: how could governments police the Fediverse? With Reddit they could just threaten the company, but what are they going to do with Lemmy? Threaten whoever hosts the instance?
I’m guessing that’s why people are recommending finding an instance that isn’t USA based.
Yeah, they will send subpoenas to the instance owner.
Basically. Instance administrator is responsible for what they host, and they must follow the law of were it’s host (and maybe the countries of their users, if they are European for instance).
If you are hosting something too illegal and draw attention they may block your IP, fine you or even raid the server location.
For what purpose? To plan and discuss criminal acts in the open?
From my understanding, the criminal acts wouldn’t be on the lemmy instance, rather it’d be discussing what other tor sites are (relatively) safe to use for said criminal acts
As an FBI agent myself, I’m legally required to tell you that FBI agents will tell you to use compromised sellers
That’s fair. Well, there aren’t any illegal goods im interested in anyway so no problems here!
Yeah… Don’t write down your crimes for crying out loud!
Your crimes for crying out loud
Right this way to your jail cell
To discuss which markets are safe to use.
Just tell me what automatic do you want ill hook you up
GM Turbo-Hydramatic 400 please. Man those things were indestructable. Sadly the dark net is the only place you can find them now.
Aren’t those the ones that have one gearing and just jump the RPMs up by rotating the vanes or something? All torque converter and no gearbox? Sorry if I’m way off base, I possess only approximate knowledge of many things.
It had gears but yeah it was fluidically controlled like all automatics of that era. There is plenty of info online about it. Even Rolls Royce bought them from GM and used them in their cars.
Oh I have no doubt it must have been a step forward in the development of hydraulics in transmissions, you need only look at the black magic box that is modern slush-automatics to see that. Unfortunately my knowledge of anything I haven’t worked on myself (and that’s a very, very limited window of experience) comes down largely to pop-culture and meme content. I’m fairly certain Regular Car Reviews discussed a car with that transmission and what you get is more of a piss-take than a true walk through the operating principles.
The THM 350 was a durable transmission, the 400 was built like a tank, and the later cost reduced 200 was a piece of crap that broke all the time and resulted in a class action lawsuit. Maybe the 200 is what you were thinking of. The demand for used 350’s and 400’s was basically from owners of failed 200’s.
The THM 350 was a durable transmission, the 400 was built like a tank, and the later cost reduced 200 was a piece of crap that broke all the time and resulted in a class action lawsuit. Maybe the 200 is what you were thinking of. The demand for used 350’s and 400’s was partly from owners of failed 200’s.
That’s an interesting bit of nuance that is new to me. I’ll have to track down the video in question and see exactly what model it was, and what vehicle it was installed in.
Very well that will be 1 billion
Strt?!
Fuckin skids…
buncha degens
I think this answers your question: pirate D&D books
I guess depends of the admin, need to ask them.
I hope not
Probably not a good idea, unless you could somehow set up an onion instance. Dread is already a thing for that anyway.
True, Dread is already a thing but it’s hard for normies to reach. /r/darknetmarkets used to be that bridge for newbies to configure Tor and get onto the darknet.
Maybe a community around how to get set up with tor, and basics of opsec and that sort of thing would be ok. I think talkinging about markets themselves and the products you get there is playing with fire, set them up to get to Dread, and have them take it from there.
I agree this would not be a good look for young Lemmy but…
…not all dark websites and not all dark markets are for illegal or immoral things. I’m on a darknet discussion board because the people on it want to be able to speak freely among friends since some of them are public figures or in positions where they should watch what they say in public. No crazy right wing stuff (we are all big soft lefties).
More importantly, some people rely on, or may find themselves seeking out, dark markets to get medications they legit need but for whatever reason cannot legally or easily get.
