I will die on the hill that PJO should have been in the same place that HP is now (minus the terrible author) - Rick deserves the fame and the series deserves the quality and love that HP gets from it’s fans.
I enjoyed PJO and the egyptian series way more than HP, though the HP universe is more mysterious. Actually, gonna read PJO again.
having read the first book and a bit of the second one, I realised how spoiled we’ve been with the way Head British TERF presented the world. every bit of Hogwarts has been vividly described with great detail, while here? I can’t remember the single detail about the summer camp thingy, other than “there were some houses”.
Most of Percy Jackson took place outside of Camp Half Blood, unlike Harry Potter, which takes place mostly at Hogwarts, so it’s not surprising that Hogwarts got more detail. Also, Camp Half Blood had like 50 people in it unlike Hogwarts that had hundreds, so naturally it’d be less noteworthy.
Edit: I just checked and only 6 of 22 chapters of The Lighting Thief take place at CHB.
Skill issue. Lava wall, amphitheatre, forest, strawberry fields, Zeus fists, orange shirts, Thalia’s tree etc.
Skill issue.
yes, that’s what I was implying.
Yeah, but he’s saying skill issue with your reading retention.
But I’d agree with the poster above that I remember plenty of camp half blood. I don’t ‘remember’ hogwarts, but I remember the same ‘bits’ and fields and important repeated places as much as I remember then from the Percy Jackson series.
Maybe it’s that there isn’t 7 movies tied to it to keep it fresh in your brain with extra images.
The novelization of Robotech is the best YA. It has drama, romance, violence, giant crab monsters, and mecha.
I didn’t like PJ as a charector and by a few books in I was just hoping he’d lose.
Animorphs was a far better YA series.
I believe the lesser known “Everworld” is also very good.
I should really see about getting ahold of that series. I still haven’t read it.
There’s a fan rewrite of animorphs which is even more of a doozy
Here https://archiveofourown.org/works/5627803/chapters/12963046
even more of a doozy
What do you mean? As in, all the protagonists are unlikeable?
The opposite. The first og one was hardcore for a kid’s series, the fanfic is hardcore for even adults.
Care to share a link?
Will do
Like a rewrite of over 50 books? Or a little fan story?
Former
Not a better YA series than the hunger games, but definitely a great YA series.
Yeah…three books of “oh woah is me. I can’t make up my mind of which of the two boys that likes me I like more. Choosing is so hard”
*Edit. Lol. Some of y’all got real defensive. They were pretty good books and movies, but the love interest subplot was still cringy and I’m sticking to it.
Considering this is /c/tumblr, check out this post arguing that The Hunger Games is more than the copycat dytopian YA novels that it spawned.
I think the Hunger Games series sits in a similar literary position to The Lord of the Rings, as a piece of literature (by a Catholic author) that sparked a whole new subgenre and then gets blamed for flaws that exist in the copycat books and aren’t actually part of the original.
Like, despite what parodies might say, Katniss is nowhere near the stereotypical “unqualified teenager chosen to lead a rebellion for no good reason”. The entire point is that she’s not leading the rebellion. She’s a traumatized teenager who has emotional reactions to the horrors in her society, and is constantly being reined in by more experienced adults who have to tell her, “No, this is not how you fight the government, you are going to get people killed.” She’s not the upstart teenager showing the brainless adults what to do–she’s a teenager being manipulated by smarter and more experienced adults. She has no power in the rebellion except as a useful piece of propaganda, and the entire trilogy is her straining against that role. It’s much more realistic and far more nuanced than anyone who dismisses it as “stereotypical YA dystopian” gives it credit for.
And the misconceptions don’t end there. The Hunger Games has no "stereotypical YA love triangle”–yes, there are two potential love interests, but the romance is so not the point. There’s a war going on! Katniss has more important things to worry about than boys! The romance was never about her choosing between two hot boys–it’s about choosing between two diametrically opposed worldviews. Will she choose anger and war, or compassion and peace? Of course a trilogy filled with the horrors of war ends with her marriage to the peace-loving Peeta. Unlike some of the YA dystopian copycats, the romance here is part of the message, not just something to pacify readers who expect “hot love triangles” in their YA.
The worldbuilding in the Hunger Games trilogy is simplistic and not realistic, but unlike some of her imitators, Collins does this because she has something to say, not because she’s cobbling together a grim and gritty dystopia that’s “similar to the Hunger Games”. The worldbuilding has an allegorical function, kept simple so we can see beyond it to what Collins is really saying–and it’s nothing so comforting as “we need to fight the evil people who are ruining society”. The Capitol’s not just the powerful, greedy bad guys–the Capitol is us, First World America, living in luxury while we ignore the problems of the rest of the world, and thinking of other nations largely in terms of what resources we can get from them. This simplistic world is a sparsely set stage that lets us explore the larger themes about exploitation and war and the horrors people will commit for the sake of their bread and circuses, meant to make us think deeper about what separates a hero from a villain.
There’s a reason these books became a literary phenomenon. There’s a reason that dozens upon dozens of authors attempted to imitate them. But these imitators can’t capture that same genius, largely because they’re trying to imitate the trappings of another book, and failing to capture the larger and more meaningful message underneath. Make a copy of a copy of a copy, and you’ll wind up with something far removed from the original masterpiece. But we shouldn’t make the mistake of blaming those flaws on the original work.
goodness no, it’s extremely derivative
Of what?
Not being snarky, I genuinely want to know.
Just seemed like an amalgamation of post-apocalyptic/dystopian fantasy, a bit Brave New World, a bit Running Man, a bit Battle Royale. Nothing about it seemed new but it was well written until the end, I don’t mean to be overly critical.
Reread those books, if you read them.
The point is that she doesn’t WANT either of those two boys. She’s forced out of a friendship with both due to their feelings, and she has to play the part to keep some kind of normalcy for both the capital’s cameras and for her partner’s mental sanity and safety while in the ring. She’s never happy, never CHOOSES Peta, and is the result of trying to cope/maintain sense of self while constantly shoved into roles constructed for her (the Volunteered Tribute, The Girl on Fire, The Mockingbird all being personas she takes on behalf of someone else’s needs/desires and often just survival for her/her family)
And if you got ‘romance plot’ as the major storyline and not ‘surviving capitalist techno-hellscape post failed-revolution’, I think you read Divergent and said “these are all the same books”
I remember it being unclear if the professed feelings for her by Peta were genuine or also manufactured for the cameras, and while the ending implied Peta had genuine feelings for her by that point, he likely was also thrust into a position he didn’t necessarily want either
Peta expressed genuinely loving her from day one. On the train, when he’s holding her he even tells her about how he felt and why he threw the bread, feeling it was selfishly motivated.
Hers were confused, and she remarks that maybe, had life been normal, she could have developed feelings for him or gale for real, but because she didn’t have the chance she’s never sure which part of the show she even believes in. She accepts by the end that he loves her and that she loves him as much as she feels she’s capable of after all the trauma
Sounds like you’ve read the books much more recently than I have because I simply can’t remember much of any of those details, just my takeaways from the books
It’s definitely been more than a decade. But I keyed back in to get back in the headspace for the prequel book she released. I recommend it too, if you haven’t checked it out. Not quite the same tone, but I liked where she went with it.
oh woah is me
woe is me
They are twelve.
…No they aren’t. Katniss is 16 at the beginning of book 1 and would have been 17 or older by the end of book 3.
Weren’t we talking about Percy Jackson, Annabeth Chase and Luke Castellan compared to Hunger Games?
Not my comment. I was just talking about HG and the Katness love triangle.
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The sequel series (Heroes of Olympus) is honestly better.
