• kava@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    japan is a sovereign nation too. one that doesn’t get to decide whether a foreign power from across the pacific ocean gets to park military bases in their land.

    there’s a long spectrum from totally under control -> totally independent and you will find that virtually every smaller country is rarely totally independent

    i’d like to challenge you and show me one thing i said that was false. it’s easy to throw shade say something like “everything you are saying is because you have fallen for propaganda, whereas me I am pure and untouched by propaganda”

    russia was content with Ukraine being loosely coupled. They were not OK with Ukraine totally leaving the Russian sphere and joining the west. this is what triggered the invasion of Crimea and the little green men from the east.

    you can see a similar, albiet different, dynamic with Taiwan and China. China is content (for now) with Taiwan remaining sort-of independent. but once the US for example says something “Taiwan is an independent country” they would invade.

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      19 hours ago

      japan is a sovereign nation too. one that doesn’t get to decide whether a foreign power from across the pacific ocean gets to park military bases in their land.

      Japan did try to invade quite a lot of places and then lose the ensuing war to end up there though. Ukraine didn’t really do that

      russia was content with Ukraine being loosely coupled. They were not OK with Ukraine totally leaving the Russian sphere and joining the west. this is what triggered the invasion of Crimea and the little green men from the east.

      That rethoric is applicable to almost any russian neighbour. Which countries would you be fine with russia invading if they win in Ukraine? Finland again? The baltics again? Poland again?

      Also Russia’s invasion isn’t something “triggered” any more than an abused spouse “triggers” the violence against them. Russia could have followed international law and not invaded, and so far it seems it would even have been better for them. Blaming Ukraine for getting invaded is pretty russian propaganda in my eyes.

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        3 hours ago

        Which countries would you be fine with russia invading if they win in Ukraine

        why do you assume i am fine with Russia invading anywhere?

        I’m making a point about the dynamics of the war.

        How about this-

        Do you think it’s a coincidence the invasion happened less than 4 days after the new government was appointed (unconstitutionally)? Why do you think that new government immediately started cooperating with the CIA? It’s because they knew Russia was about to invade them. Because they understood their position.

        this type of autonomic response you have to somebody simply dispassionately discussing the material conditions which caused this war is quite interesting. reminds me of the anti-israel / anti-semitic tick