After a day and several replies from people. I’ve come to the conclusion that people here are ok with their party and leaders supporting genocide and they attack the questioners (instead of their party leaders) who criticize those who support genocide. Critical thinking is scarce here.

I’m shameful of humanity.

  • JuBe@lemmy.world
    21·
    10 hours ago

    At the risk of feeding a sea lion, there’s actually a simple reason a candidate might shift their position toward voters that are already “guaranteed” to vote for them: if that “guaranteed” base grows, it provides a voting offset that could allow the candidate to worry less about losing the support of less progressive voters.

    • Ephoron@lemmy.kde.social
      2·
      28 minutes ago

      Oh. I’ve just looked up ‘sea-lion’. Jesus fucking Christ. In one thread we’ve had the argument, from supposed progressives, that;

      1. Vote your government back in no matter what their policies are, just do so out of blind faith.
      2. Don’t look things up for yourself, just accept what the authorities tell you without question.
      3. Don’t ask for evidence or challenge this view, just accept it without question.

      This is the progressive position now?

      This isn’t politics, it’s a fucking religion.

    • Ephoron@lemmy.kde.social
      1·
      3 hours ago

      if that “guaranteed” base grows, it provides a voting offset that could allow the candidate to worry less about losing the support of less progressive voters.

      Sure.

      But why would they? If the base that’s ‘grown’ is guaranteed, then why shift at all? Why not have the new larger guaranteed base, and the less progressive voters. After all, the guaranteed base is guaranteed, you don’t need to do anything to get their votes.

      But let’s say they want to risk it for ideological reasons (no evidence at all that this is the case, but for the sake of argument we could assume it).

      You’ve still not addressed the two main questions.

      1. How do they know the extra votes came from left-leaning but ‘guaranteed’ voters, and not from voters who really liked their centrist policies?

      2. If they have some way of knowing (polls, focus-groups etc) then why can’t they use that way of knowing to ask about voter commitment, and make the move to the left before the election, why do they need us to actually vote first to find out if we’re in this ‘guaranteed base’?