None and all of them. The video has been posted before but the essence is that the overwhelming part of Marvel’s films deals with the folloing scenary:
Bad guy tries to change something, often for legitimate reasons. God guys stop bad guy and everything stays the same. Even when people try to change something in a good way there is always something that goes horribly wrong.
The hypothesis falls apart when the author ties the real world problems of poverty, injustice and ecological disasters to the superheroes negligence.
The premises of the movies are that they are grounded in the real world. As such if superheroes transformed the world it would no longer be a recognizable setting for movie audiences.
2 hours of showing Iron Man digging wells in Africa isn’t entertaining.
The ability of an individual, even if superpowered, to change society is extremely limited. We have the example of Bill Gates having spent decades and tens of billions just to irradicate a single disease. What is Captain America going to do to control health care costs? Beat cancer cells in a petri dish?
2 hours of showing Iron Man digging wells in Africa isn’t entertaining.
It’s basically like that recurring criticism of Batman “Why doesn’t he just use his money to make the world a better place instead of putting on a costume and beating up poor people.”
The answer, of course, being that he does both, but the former doesn’t really make for fun storyline by itself, so it’s always a side-plot or passing reference instead of being the main story beat.
Nah, everyone making the reference has never consumed any media involving the character, and say as much repeatedly.
But they still make the criticism, because their favorite content creator made a longwinded video about it that was full of supposition and assumption (or flat out making shit up for the views).
Because if someone makes a 20 minute youtube video about it, it must be true.
Grounded in the real world really stretches the trope when you consider there to be countless planets of hyper advanced beings and demi gods.
It’s always seemed strange to me that earth never made any sort of meaningfull technological progress despite having access to a galaxy full of new tech. The only progress we see is that the ~~ elites~~ heroes equipment is getting more fancy with each movie.
Secondly why should a more technological advanced setting be unrecognizable to the viewer? Especially if the progress stretches over as many movies as the MCU contains?
No one is asking for painstaking detail. James Bond defeating a guy who tries to privatize the water supply of a whole country was overall a decent movie IMO, only implying the problem for everyday people that arose from evil guys plan. It’s all about the storytelling: Avengers find cool new tech that helps solve some earthly problem. Some people stand to lose a lot of money (think pharma industry becoming obsolete or similar) and plot against it. Avengers snuff out the plot, defeat evil mastermind and implement technology. Progress!
Maybe there are certain problems that can’t be solved by punching things? Like for example finding a way to timetravel in order to collect the infinity stones, which Toni Stark seems to be able to do while sipping his afternoon coffee. Individual impact has never been a problem in the MCU. After all we are talking about a superhero movie. And what does Captain America do while Toni Stark eradicates Cancer? Deal with the backlash (see 2.).
Also, going back to your first remark: Superheroes dealing with poverty and injustice is the whole subplot of Black Panther.
It’s always seemed strange to me that earth never made any sort of meaningfull technological progress despite having access to a galaxy full of new tech.
This actually seemed reasonable to me - if alien tech is anything like ours, we lack the parts to make the parts to make the parts to make the tech, so we can’t mass produce any of it yet. And we’re a bit of a backwater - what resources we do have of galactic interest (vibranium, maybe?) isn’t for sale. So we make do with what scraps do find their way to earth.
Sure, jumping multiple levels on the technology tree is not easy, but a real world analog would be China, which has turned from a “backwater” to one of the biggest competitors.
Their point is, that we can’t make super awesome tech X because it requires awesome tech Y, and we can’t make Y because it requires cool tech Z.
My counterpoint to that is that yes, we may not have the technology, YET. But knowing it exists, we can acquire it a lot faster, than having to invent it ourselves. For example, China hasn’t started by building world leading electric vehicles, either. They started out as a cheap manufacturer of simple items and gradually accumulated more expertise in more and more advanced fields.
In case you are talking about raw materials? Let’s give Toni Stark a bit more sophisticated equipment than a stack of books to balance his particle accelerator on and I bet you he can fix that problem too.
Some people stand to lose a lot of money (think pharma industry becoming obsolete or similar) and plot against it. Avengers snuff out the plot, defeat evil mastermind
That was the plot of Ironman. Stark wanted to end weapons development. Stain stood to loose money.
And nothing really changed. Yeah, Stark Industries doesn’t produce weapons anymore. But as we see in Iron Man 2 others are happily trying to fill the gap.
Secondly why should a more technological advanced setting be unrecognizable to the viewer
An Ironman cartoon addressed it a little by having Stark install his reactors everywhere for free clean energy.
But really it’s because people go to a Marvel movie to see their comic books as live action, not watch another Star Trek movie.
Because that’s the result of actual God level superhero intervention. Full Luxury Gay Space Communism. There’s nothing for a friendly neighborhood Spiderman to do.
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The bad guy in black panther had a point, but was also a fascist trying to start a race war. And in the end, the hero acknowledges the issues that the villain had raised and does make changes to address them.
“We should intervene in misbehaving countries” vs. “we must respect other countries sovereignty” is never such an easy decision as the cartoon puts it.
In the end of Black Panther, Wakanda becomes an imperialistic power.
Imperialism is about resource and labor extraction, unless they’re using those outreach centers to destroy local markets so the people have to work on the plantations for pennies to scrape by, so Wakanda can buy bananas for cheap, I don’t see how it’s imperialism.
Or is Wakanda gonna go back to Plan A and use those outreach centers to influence elections/organize a coup and put in a comprador government?
It was never clear whether he wanted a race war or how he planned to carry one out, he simply wanted to arm oppressed minorities all over the world.
But in any case, making the Bad Guy™ murder kittens doesn’t change whether he’s right.
See The Dark Knight Rises, where the Bad Guy™ neutralizes the police, and the people immediately band together to lynch the bankers and landlords (this is portrayed as a bad thing). Naturally, the Bad Guy™ then decides to nuke the city, for reasons.
All I ever said was that I’ve begun judging people that enjoy these movies, and stated that I believe the movies are trash. These are all subjective statements, and just because they don’t agree with your opinions, doesn’t make them inherently wrong.
Why? I’m not anti-cartoon by any means. I just primarily think that most Marvel and DC movies are low effort, consumer brain rot.
I will say that DC has a slightly better track record, though. And when I say Marvel, I mostly mean the MCU. There were some decent Marvel films outside of the MCU. I’ll fuck with some X-Men, Blade, etc.
Yeah they are just not good. Same as star wars. I would maybe except the first Iron Man, Logan, and the original trilogy (before Lucas remade them with CGI).
The story telling is lazy, the characters undifferentiated, and there are no real consequences to anything. It’s just obvious money grabbing because media consumers have no taste or ability to distinguish good art from bad. T
They used to be good years ago. Then they mostly became like you said. It’s almost like the owners changed and promoted incompetent people to make bland, inoffensive movies with political messages
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I’ve honestly begun to judge people that still watch and enjoy these comic movies.
Oh no! People enjoying something you don’t! It’s a travesty, and must be stopped!
Yeah! How dare they admit that they judge people for petty reasons. You’re supposed to keep that shit to yourself!
It is fucking brainwash tho.
Judging you right now.
And I’m sorry you have to worsen your life by doing so. It’s not healthy to be so negative.
I can guarantee virtually zero negative repercussions by holding this opinion. On the other hand, it seems to have really affected you and others.
It must really bug you to see so many people being happy while you stay depressed and despondent.
They’re “depressed and despondent” because they judge comic movie fans? This is some prime Dr. Phil level psychology right here.
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This recent poll is starting to make more and more sense, the more y’all talk.
Internet troll criticizes comic book fans with chart pointing out that women prefer comic book fans to internet trolls by a 3 to 1 margin.
No dude, he’s saying that he’s getting turned on by him
> Argues online arguing other person is arguing online.
Can you name one superhero movie that follows the plot of the OP comic?
The closest I can think of is Thanos killing half the people in the universe and the heroes trying to stop him. You’re on Thanos’s side?
It’s a bit stretched, but… Watchmen perhaps? Kind of? Nothing closer comes to mind.
Oh watchmen for sure but it’s also about how bullshit the status quo is and how a crazy man can still fuck up the smartest plans by keeping a diary.
None and all of them. The video has been posted before but the essence is that the overwhelming part of Marvel’s films deals with the folloing scenary:
Bad guy tries to change something, often for legitimate reasons. God guys stop bad guy and everything stays the same. Even when people try to change something in a good way there is always something that goes horribly wrong.
The hypothesis falls apart when the author ties the real world problems of poverty, injustice and ecological disasters to the superheroes negligence.
The premises of the movies are that they are grounded in the real world. As such if superheroes transformed the world it would no longer be a recognizable setting for movie audiences.
2 hours of showing Iron Man digging wells in Africa isn’t entertaining.
The ability of an individual, even if superpowered, to change society is extremely limited. We have the example of Bill Gates having spent decades and tens of billions just to irradicate a single disease. What is Captain America going to do to control health care costs? Beat cancer cells in a petri dish?
It’s basically like that recurring criticism of Batman “Why doesn’t he just use his money to make the world a better place instead of putting on a costume and beating up poor people.”
The answer, of course, being that he does both, but the former doesn’t really make for fun storyline by itself, so it’s always a side-plot or passing reference instead of being the main story beat.
And then everyone making the criticism ignores that passing reference.
Nah, everyone making the reference has never consumed any media involving the character, and say as much repeatedly.
But they still make the criticism, because their favorite content creator made a longwinded video about it that was full of supposition and assumption (or flat out making shit up for the views).
Because if someone makes a 20 minute youtube video about it, it must be true.
It’s always seemed strange to me that earth never made any sort of meaningfull technological progress despite having access to a galaxy full of new tech. The only progress we see is that the ~~ elites~~ heroes equipment is getting more fancy with each movie.
Secondly why should a more technological advanced setting be unrecognizable to the viewer? Especially if the progress stretches over as many movies as the MCU contains?
No one is asking for painstaking detail. James Bond defeating a guy who tries to privatize the water supply of a whole country was overall a decent movie IMO, only implying the problem for everyday people that arose from evil guys plan. It’s all about the storytelling: Avengers find cool new tech that helps solve some earthly problem. Some people stand to lose a lot of money (think pharma industry becoming obsolete or similar) and plot against it. Avengers snuff out the plot, defeat evil mastermind and implement technology. Progress!
Maybe there are certain problems that can’t be solved by punching things? Like for example finding a way to timetravel in order to collect the infinity stones, which Toni Stark seems to be able to do while sipping his afternoon coffee. Individual impact has never been a problem in the MCU. After all we are talking about a superhero movie. And what does Captain America do while Toni Stark eradicates Cancer? Deal with the backlash (see 2.).
Also, going back to your first remark: Superheroes dealing with poverty and injustice is the whole subplot of Black Panther.
This actually seemed reasonable to me - if alien tech is anything like ours, we lack the parts to make the parts to make the parts to make the tech, so we can’t mass produce any of it yet. And we’re a bit of a backwater - what resources we do have of galactic interest (vibranium, maybe?) isn’t for sale. So we make do with what scraps do find their way to earth.
Sure, jumping multiple levels on the technology tree is not easy, but a real world analog would be China, which has turned from a “backwater” to one of the biggest competitors.
… because they have access to the materials.
I feel like you just ignored the major factor in their statement because it conflicted with your point of view.
I am not sure why you think I skipped something.
Their point is, that we can’t make super awesome tech X because it requires awesome tech Y, and we can’t make Y because it requires cool tech Z.
My counterpoint to that is that yes, we may not have the technology, YET. But knowing it exists, we can acquire it a lot faster, than having to invent it ourselves. For example, China hasn’t started by building world leading electric vehicles, either. They started out as a cheap manufacturer of simple items and gradually accumulated more expertise in more and more advanced fields.
In case you are talking about raw materials? Let’s give Toni Stark a bit more sophisticated equipment than a stack of books to balance his particle accelerator on and I bet you he can fix that problem too.
That was the plot of Ironman. Stark wanted to end weapons development. Stain stood to loose money.
And nothing really changed. Yeah, Stark Industries doesn’t produce weapons anymore. But as we see in Iron Man 2 others are happily trying to fill the gap.
An Ironman cartoon addressed it a little by having Stark install his reactors everywhere for free clean energy.
But really it’s because people go to a Marvel movie to see their comic books as live action, not watch another Star Trek movie.
Because that’s the result of actual God level superhero intervention. Full Luxury Gay Space Communism. There’s nothing for a friendly neighborhood Spiderman to do. *
Yeah, except most of the Star Trek movies are more akin to the Marvel movies than they are the Star Trek shows.
Black Panther
The bad guy in black panther had a point, but was also a fascist trying to start a race war. And in the end, the hero acknowledges the issues that the villain had raised and does make changes to address them.
“We should intervene in misbehaving countries” vs. “we must respect other countries sovereignty” is never such an easy decision as the cartoon puts it.
In the end of Black Panther, Wakanda becomes an imperialistic power.
… because they build outreach centers?
Have you seen things like that built around in your country?
Imperialism is about resource and labor extraction, unless they’re using those outreach centers to destroy local markets so the people have to work on the plantations for pennies to scrape by, so Wakanda can buy bananas for cheap, I don’t see how it’s imperialism.
Or is Wakanda gonna go back to Plan A and use those outreach centers to influence elections/organize a coup and put in a comprador government?
It was never clear whether he wanted a race war or how he planned to carry one out, he simply wanted to arm oppressed minorities all over the world.
But in any case, making the Bad Guy™ murder kittens doesn’t change whether he’s right.
See The Dark Knight Rises, where the Bad Guy™ neutralizes the police, and the people immediately band together to lynch the bankers and landlords (this is portrayed as a bad thing). Naturally, the Bad Guy™ then decides to nuke the city, for reasons.
Yes. Dark Night Rises was bad and that was one of the reasons.
I don’t watch them, because I don’t enjoy Disney spoonfeeding me low effort, regurgitated swill on the quarterly.
So you… object to the idea of what you think the movies are like, to the point that you have no idea what they’re like?
… And that sounds reasonable to you?
So you’d continue to watch snuff porn to be sure you’re well informed on the subject?
The issue isn’t that you’re not well informed.
The issue is that, when confronted with being wrong about something you’re uninformed about, you double down and act like an ass.
All I ever said was that I’ve begun judging people that enjoy these movies, and stated that I believe the movies are trash. These are all subjective statements, and just because they don’t agree with your opinions, doesn’t make them inherently wrong.
Get a grip on yourself.
You found the quote function. Thank you for consolidating my comment. Please note the use of words such as “believe” and “opinions.”
You are going to lose your mind in rage when you discover people enjoy Bugs Bunny cartoons.
Why? I’m not anti-cartoon by any means. I just primarily think that most Marvel and DC movies are low effort, consumer brain rot.
I will say that DC has a slightly better track record, though. And when I say Marvel, I mostly mean the MCU. There were some decent Marvel films outside of the MCU. I’ll fuck with some X-Men, Blade, etc.
Oh wow! You’re so much better than all of us!
You prefer doling your own out on internet forums?
It’s cool, because I’ve begun to judge people that judge people base on entertainment choices.
That’s the spirit!
Infinity War was the peak of MCU and it was downhill from there. And DC has been very inconsistent.
Yeah they are just not good. Same as star wars. I would maybe except the first Iron Man, Logan, and the original trilogy (before Lucas remade them with CGI).
The story telling is lazy, the characters undifferentiated, and there are no real consequences to anything. It’s just obvious money grabbing because media consumers have no taste or ability to distinguish good art from bad. T
They used to be good years ago. Then they mostly became like you said. It’s almost like the owners changed and promoted incompetent people to make bland, inoffensive movies with political messages