Bro, you’re arguing with a dude named SnotFlickerman. Expecting a nuanced opinion may be asking a tad much here.
To actually add my own opinion to this, Mr. Flickerman here is representing this in a bit too black & white of a setting. Like obviously it’s gonna be worse if he gets elected. But that doesn’t magically make it safe for an individual to oppose him now. Rather than insisting that a single person retaliate (and thus very likely have the ire of Trump’s less stable fanbase focused on them), it would be more effective to have groups speak out. That (among other things) is why I think the US Army releasing their statement is great- even aside from the high respect that a lot of Trump folk have for the military, it doesn’t give crazies a person to latch onto and attack.
As I am in poverty, I will literally be one of the ones left behind to suffer fascism when everyone else bails.
Sorry I’m not gonna shut up about it.
Keep telling yourself you care about people who are suffering and then turn around and tell them they’re asking too much to be helped by standing up for them.
I didn’t tell this person to get guns and go fighting. I said, press charges. I guess pressing charges makes you a “warrior” now.
But you are telling them to risk their life by going against Trump and being violently retaliated against. And that actually might include tjem needing to use a gun, given how violent rightwing people are. Trump’s own fan base shot at him.
I do agree we should use our rights. Not using your rights is fundamentally the same thing as not having them. I think it’s unfair that fascism has prevented that worker from using her rights and that’s a goal of fascism - to take away our rights. So she’s a victim here as we are trying to tell you. It’s her right as an individual to not press charges, and her reason is that fascists have scared her. That you wouldn’t react the same way in the same situation is great. Not everyone is like you.
Sometimes people need a variety of responses to survive. It’s entirely possible this this story will REALLY anger his base as it is. Active duty army worker can’t press charges against a man who assaulted her because of retaliation from Trump and their people. All so he could disobey rules in fucking Arlington. It could not be a bigger faux pas with conservative women, many of whom have sons in the military and tend to care about men hitting women and officers. A lot of military folks aren’t going to like this either. At minimum it makes him appear even more senile, out of touch, weak, and out of control. It’s bad no matter what.
But in the case of Hurricane Katrina, if people had all stayed they would’ve all died. There are groups of people all over who only survived genocide by others and total decimation by natural disasters because some fled.
I agree we should confront fascists if we are able. I have a collection of death threats from Nazis, myself. But not everyone has to be like me to be valid. Some people aren’t fighters, they flee. That’s fine. Or should we give pregnant women and 5 year olds guns?
If fascists have no one to hurt but each other, then they consume themselves. Fleeing involves the least amount of harm to innocent non-fascists versus fighting which gives them a common enemy to harm.
I do, because the people who can run or hide are not the most vulnerable in society, who get left behind to deal with the fascists.
Hurrican Katrina all over again. Fuck what happens to the poors, we gotta save ourselves!
And when Trump takes power, that’s going to get better?
That’s nice to say from the comfort of your own chair, when you’re not the one taking the risk.
Bro, you’re arguing with a dude named SnotFlickerman. Expecting a nuanced opinion may be asking a tad much here.
To actually add my own opinion to this, Mr. Flickerman here is representing this in a bit too black & white of a setting. Like obviously it’s gonna be worse if he gets elected. But that doesn’t magically make it safe for an individual to oppose him now. Rather than insisting that a single person retaliate (and thus very likely have the ire of Trump’s less stable fanbase focused on them), it would be more effective to have groups speak out. That (among other things) is why I think the US Army releasing their statement is great- even aside from the high respect that a lot of Trump folk have for the military, it doesn’t give crazies a person to latch onto and attack.
S’not right, having a username like that
As I am in poverty, I will literally be one of the ones left behind to suffer fascism when everyone else bails.
Sorry I’m not gonna shut up about it.
Keep telling yourself you care about people who are suffering and then turn around and tell them they’re asking too much to be helped by standing up for them.
I didn’t tell this person to get guns and go fighting. I said, press charges. I guess pressing charges makes you a “warrior” now.
But you are telling them to risk their life by going against Trump and being violently retaliated against. And that actually might include tjem needing to use a gun, given how violent rightwing people are. Trump’s own fan base shot at him.
I do agree we should use our rights. Not using your rights is fundamentally the same thing as not having them. I think it’s unfair that fascism has prevented that worker from using her rights and that’s a goal of fascism - to take away our rights. So she’s a victim here as we are trying to tell you. It’s her right as an individual to not press charges, and her reason is that fascists have scared her. That you wouldn’t react the same way in the same situation is great. Not everyone is like you.
Sometimes people need a variety of responses to survive. It’s entirely possible this this story will REALLY anger his base as it is. Active duty army worker can’t press charges against a man who assaulted her because of retaliation from Trump and their people. All so he could disobey rules in fucking Arlington. It could not be a bigger faux pas with conservative women, many of whom have sons in the military and tend to care about men hitting women and officers. A lot of military folks aren’t going to like this either. At minimum it makes him appear even more senile, out of touch, weak, and out of control. It’s bad no matter what.
But in the case of Hurricane Katrina, if people had all stayed they would’ve all died. There are groups of people all over who only survived genocide by others and total decimation by natural disasters because some fled.
I agree we should confront fascists if we are able. I have a collection of death threats from Nazis, myself. But not everyone has to be like me to be valid. Some people aren’t fighters, they flee. That’s fine. Or should we give pregnant women and 5 year olds guns?
If fascists have no one to hurt but each other, then they consume themselves. Fleeing involves the least amount of harm to innocent non-fascists versus fighting which gives them a common enemy to harm.