FORMULA 1 HEINEKEN DUTCH GRAND PRIX 2023

Circuit stats
First Grand Prix 1952
Number of laps 72
Lap record 1:11.097 Lewis Hamilton (2021)
2022 winner Max Verstappen

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    1 year ago

    Wet tires will probably never be used (unless enforced), even if the conditions are clearly full wet.

    Teams are so greedy with staying on the inters so that even if some drivers pit for full wets, the race will inevitably be red flagged because someone staying on the inters will crash, which then makes you look silly for pitting for full wets a lap or two earlier.

    Granted that they reinstated the positions of the previous lap so Perez is actually fine, but let Zhou crash one lap later and Red Bull would’ve been punished with Perez for doing the right thing for safety and to try and keep the race going.

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      I call the full wets “red flag tyres” cos we never see them on a car during a race for more than a lap without a red flag

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        The teams say that the wet tires are unusable. Pirelli would need to rework the formula for this compound for the teams to be happy with it

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          I think it’s more about the visibility rather than the tyre compound.

          The ground effect cars suck all the water up and spray it into the air, making it dangerous for anyone outside the first few positions

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      I think everyone agrees with that, apparently even perelli have called it the safety car tire…

      I think the best suggestion was to make a much better tire between the two if they can - that reduced the amount of tires they are lugging around too.

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        Make the full wet better or the inter worse or add a third option, but something needs to change. Visibility concerns have been a legitimate issue in past races, but that definitely wasn’t the case today.

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      Full Wets should be mandated for all teams in these conditions for a set # of laps. That would eliminate the teams gamesmanship, increase safety and avoid the embarrassing red flags. F1 is so poorly run.

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    Max on radio: 😃

    Alonso on radio:😏😀

    Gasly on radio: 😁😁😁😁🤯🤯🤯🤯😎😎😎

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    1 year ago

    Speaking as a dutchie. There really is no crowd better than the dutch at setting a great mood. Especially in bad weather.

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      1 year ago

      Was it the Dutch GP where there were allegations of sexual harassment last year? Or was that somewhere else? I dont quite remember

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        1 year ago

        Apparently so. I didn’t know about his but just read up on it. 15 cases quite bad. They stepped up measures this year. Hopefully there are no cases this year however we won’t know till after.

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      I can’t think of many sporting events in the States that would have that same sort of response to a rain delay.

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    1 year ago

    Why are they so obsessed about the Max-Perez pit stop. It wouldn’t matter, Max would pass Perez in a couple of laps anyways. He got the gap down from 10 to 2.5 sec.

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      I don’t get it either… They gave Perez inters first, dragged him up to the front, then Max got softs first, giving him back the lead.

      They just saved Perez the embarrassment of getting passed by Max on track. Max is 6 seconds ahead already, for crying out…

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      I also think that it wasn’t malicious, I think they had to defend against Alonso. The other choice would have been double stacking Checo and Max, coming with its own risk.

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    1 year ago

    For those who are complaining: Jules Bianchi died under similar conditions in Suzuka 2014.

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      If anything, it took too much time to red flag the race. Zhou was in a very dangerous position.

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        If everyone had been on full wets then it would have been fine behind the safety car, but they don’t pit because they expect a red flag. Catch 22

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      I am angry because zhou’s crash 2as unnecessary. He was going way way too fast at that point. If he had not crashed, we could have possibly seen the race continue with people switching to the wets and since the field was spread, the spray would have been less of an issue

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      Yup, and more recently Dilano van 't Hoff in Spa. :’( Okay, that was Formula 4 and not 1, but similar circumstances.

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          It would be minimal risk–honestly not that different than dry conditions. Double yellows in that sector would mean cars are just creeping through.

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        The reason for the red flag will be because Zhou was in the firing line of anyone going off at turn one. Even at low speeds it could be fatal if someone went off into his stationary car or the recovery vehicle.

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          The reason for the red flag will be because Zhou was in the firing line of anyone going off at turn one. Even at low speeds it could be fatal if someone went off into his stationary car or the recovery vehicle.

          Exactly, in the Bianchi-incident Sutil was very very lucky that he didn’t get killed.

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          They did exactly what they’ve done before. Reset positions per the last available sector timings.

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    According to Dutch social media the DJ started his Red Flag set with a song about “raining beer”.

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    The fact they booked a live singer for the Dutch anthem shows a lot of confidence. Not that the confidence is misplaced of course.

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      He looked more like he was considering how to word the updates he’s going to have to make to his CV.

      • 佐藤カズマ@lemmy.world
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        Pretty much. I wonder if this is going to put teams off of bringing more American drivers in because of how bad he’s been.

        • JJROKCZ@lemmy.world
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          But unfair to attribute it to his nationality lol there’s 300 million of us, Logan isn’t even the best, he’s just the richest kid that wanted to be an f1 driver