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To be fair Lemmy feels like a brand new mall of stores with empty shelves.
A lot of empty stores, and then the big anchor stores are full of depressing doomer news articles
Don’t look in the changing rooms, they are all full of furries
Well now I want to look
Don’t forget the hexbears:
“You’re all warmongering fascists except Putin!!!”
I try not to label an entire instance, that’s like labeling an entire race, it’s not a healthy way to think about life.
Yes because fediverse instance is something intrinsic like skin colour
Yes because all analogies necessarily represent a 1:1 ratio of severity or scope 👍
Parent comment was pointing out that you pick what instance you use and there are a lot to choose from, so they tend to be fairly homogenous in views (exception being the largest few)
That’s the store that sells shoe polish.
I think there band I haven’t seen any thing from them this weekend
Don’t. Don’t give me hope.
Lol I forgot about those, I banned as many as I could.
And memes
It’s always sad when you go to a community for something you like, something that’s widely popular, and see the newest post is 2 days old.
Especially when you’re the only one posting. At some point, it feels a little like you’re spamming the sub, even if you are the only one keeping it active.
But when nobody comments on your submissions, is it even “kept active”? :/
Or it’s really a month old and it’s only maybe got about two responses. Makes me sigh sometimes and a little defeated in the idea of the fediverse but we’re all shoved into this position because the other platforms have sucked so much to have us here.
Pretty sure reddit was full of laments about Digg when that mass exodus happened. Stuff takes a while to build momentum.
Indeed. 90-9-1: 90% of the population lurk, 9% engage and 1% contribute. Source
And it’s like we have the inventory but nobody feels like stocking the shelves.
Hard truth? Reddit conditioned me to NOT participate.
Nearly time I wanted to discuss something or ask something important to me, my posts were deleted by mods. The few times posts would stay was because they were meme shitposts of easily digestible image content: scroll and move along. Any actual discussion was verboten.
/r/mk mods were particularly awful. Fuck those guys.
The thing you must understand about /r/mk is that it was largely sheperded by a man who was driven from the other major mechanical keyboard forums for being too much of a self-promoter. It’s possible the entire organization still has residual brittle-ego.
If you want proper keyboard discussion, do check Deskthority; the content is a lot richer than “here’s a photo of my board which is just a Taco Bell permutation of the current popular PCB/case/caps/switches”
I never knew that! Thanks for sharing!
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My least favorite part of Stack Overflow.
I hear you there. The last full time involvement of participating on Reddit for me was like a couple months ago. I couldn’t complain about my job anymore, like everyone else that normally complains about their jobs, without getting downvoted to oblivion over it. Why? Because “dats what reddit does!” is pretty much the only logic that it can boil down to when it comes to Reddit - it’s because that’s their bastardized logic and they happily carry it out. Just so anybody they don’t like, is discouraged from participating.
Everyone turns everything into an unnecessary debate because people want to sound smarter than they really are.
Lemmy doesn’t have the inventory. The userbase is tiny.
The userbase is significantly bigger than some fairly decent forums that I use or used to visit. The problem is rather the behaviour of the users (reddit started to favour more Instagram-like behaviour of scrolling and “liking” rather than normal forum-like dialogue, especially when you look at r/all, and I think we’re yet to grow out of it fully), and their relatively narrow range of interests (tech + political news) that leaves the other areas empty.
The user base of Lemmy may be bigger, but we don’t all share the same interest(s) the way people grouped on a specific forum would which does hinder it a bit.
Small communities are the best communities
Not when there is no content to read through.
Reddit is gentrification as a website
Lemmy is restoration
And all the customers do nothing but scream about politics in every section.
Scream about the old mall*
We trying boii
The “mall” analogy works for Reddit because the point of it existing is to buy things there. Lemmy instances and communities only exist because people want to make space for conversation. If spaces are empty, I see that as a sign that someone, somewhere cares so much that they will happy build the space and wait for others to arrive.
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This is two months old and a report about the exodus that’s already happened.
Reddit didn’t die, it probably won’t anytime soon.
Facebook never “died”, but no one goes there anymore either. Reddit will be the same.
What is Facebook these days? My grandma spends all day on it, she hardly speaks…just swiping…when I sneak a peek, it’s just chain-mail-like bullshit one after the other with a few disguised ads for things she can’t afford in between…ugh :vomit:
lol, exactly. that is literally reddit for me now as well
Yea, I checked worldnews today: there are these bot-like irrelevant comments on major subs, small subs abandoned…askhistorians is a little slow…maybe people are just on holiday having fun and such :D, is instagram full of holiday bragging?
I remember describing to my mom what Facebook was becoming back in like 2013/14 and she goes “Huh, sounds like what happened with email.”
The service went from useful communication to social media style chain forwarding nonsense pretty quickly, and they went the same way with FB.
And still email is not dead yet! I hope it’s starting to become clear to people that protocols last much longer than platforms, even if platforms look like they can test new things faster.
Fuck yeah email!
Good thing we got that sorted in the early stages of internet before corporations got their hands on it. Otherwise we’d have to create separate accounts to send and receive emails from gmail, outlook, and yahoo.
I don’t know about that, email is still great at what it does. It’s less that it died and more that people moved on to more real-time communication that fit their needs better, with email still being used for what it is actually good for.
Oh absolutely, it’s still highly used in a professional environment. I just feel like personal email went through the same thing and now that social media exists it’s just another way to communicate again.
E-mail is never going to lose relevance. It is too heavily used for it to go away. It’s used to register to many, many places online.
More than that, it’s THE communication method for businesses.
And universities. Email is the digital version of the memorandum, which is an essential tool for any large organization.
I never said it was, just that communication technology all get used for the same time wasting shit until the next thing comes along to replace it.
When I go to the poker machine hall, it’s the same. Keep pressing the button waiting for that all-too-elusive ‘win’ to come around.
It’s a haven for some older gen x and boomers. That was peak social media for them and that’s where they keep in touch mostly.
Isn’t Digg still around? It will exist forever probably, but it is definitely a husk of its former self.
Digg fully died, but the name was brought back for a curated news portal years later.
Facebook is just being treated as a place you glance into to see how everyone you know is doing. Nobody really uses it for anything beyond that.
And then you can’t even do that because Zuck filled the feed with 99% ads and “recommended” groups. Sure, there’s a friend’s feed now, but it doesn’t load 95% of the time. Facebook isn’t dead because people didn’t like the site, Facebook is dead because Zuckerfuck drove a spike through its heart and then lit the corpse on fire after dousing it with gasoline.
Malls are still around in some places too, but nothing in there is worth going to. Maybe Mall of America if you want to chance getting stabbed or shot, other than that they’re either glorified office space or entirely abandoned. But, like reddit, they’re still technically there.
Exactly. From the article:
As far as Reddit’s fate is concerned I predict that what will happen to it is the same thing that is happening to Twitter and has already happened to Facebook and frankly, actual shopping malls. The business side of things will churn along divorced from the content which will become ever more generic and culturally irrelevant. The users who stay on Reddit will be of the unadventurous variety, not inclined to make waves or analyze their habits.
That’s just a horrible analogy. Yes malls are basically dead but still technically there. Reddit is just as popular and active as it has ever been. Sure some people, like us, left. The vast majority stayed.
The ‘mass exodus’ never happened. The entirety of lemmy put together is the size of a small niche sub barely anyone actually knows about.
Yeah it is not a good analogy because when it came to malls something more convenient and easier for everyone to use became a better option with the rise in internet shopping. It’s not like malls made people angry and people left it for something that wasn’t as convenient to use.
People who moved to the fediverse aren’t representative of the average user who just wants a community in a niche area of interest to use, and never cared that strongly enough to abandon it. Most do not want to go through the growing pains of trying to grow a new community on a new platform and less content.
My city has malls. They are just big buildings for housing an aunties anne’s pretzels, a filthy play area for kids, and any other sucker who is still renting a retail space.
My local mall has churches that rent out the retail space. It’s a weird stort of community center.
The mall pictured in the article, Rolling Acres Mall in Akron OH, was the largest of three indoor shopping malls in the greater Akron area. I don’t know if you’ve ever been to Akron, but we didn’t need three goddamn indoor shopping malls. We’re down to just one now, which seems appropriate.
Who knows. Could be the new Facebook. Feel like that shit fell off pretty fast. Went from everyone on the planet using it to only your weird uncle pretty quickly.
Dying or not, their leadership made clear the plan is full steam towards enshittification and monetization, so leaving early is for the best.
Reddit has really declined after the blackout, some subs are not even posting anything usefull or just trolling. My home subs on reddit dies out after i scroll past 500, no more new or upvoted content.
About as long as a seagull pecking away at a whale carcass. It certainly didn’t help them but it would take Musk level of stupid to end them.
It’s really unattractive to be so obsessed with your ex months after getting into a new relationship with Lemmy. Can we move on please?
I was about to make a joke related to ex’s… then I saw your post. Thank you for saving me a couple braincells from frying themselves out.
I started a new job a few months ago and was on my first business trip with four colleagues recently. To make conversation I asked if anyone used Reddit.
• Two dudes had heard of it but never used it.
• One dude said he uses it infrequently because it’s turned to shit.
• One dude said fuck Reddit and it’s API bullshit.
• I said fuck Reddit and it’s API bullshit.
Thats my anecdote. 100% of the people in that car didn’t use Reddit or now hated it. Probably 3 months ago that same car ride would have had three people loving Reddit and advocating it to the other two.
Despite your experience it’s alive and well. If reddit is a dying mall what is Lemmy? To scale it’s like an unmaintained Porta potty.
I hate reddit, but let’s not be ridiculous. It’s more than fine. Google has really gone to shit. When people search for things they put in site=reddit as a more reliable way to find real information.
Malls didn’t die overnight, you know. It’s a downward spiral that takes many years when it starts.
Is there a downward spiral, though? Or did they just get rid of a bunch of (from their perpective) whiny, entitled, free riding, old-timers?
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Lol what are these anger threads like?
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Yes. I was there just minutes ago, in the live threads for Formula 1 qualifying. All good, interesting opinions, and relevant links posted. No complaints.
Reddit is fine if you only look at user numbers.
If you consider things like overall satisfaction with the site and profitability though, they are in trouble. That’s why they are introducing that embarrassing crypto shit, they are desperate to somehow monetize the site.
To make conversation I asked if anyone used Reddit.
You mean you asked “When does the Narwhal bacon?”, right?
Do you have stairs in your house?
I think that was before my time
The article is 2 months old…
Like most posts on the Lemmy front page!
Try using Active sort instead of Hot
Why post an article from two months ago about a thing we’ve all accepted? I started reading and wondered what new drama occurred on that dying platform. Then it mentioned APIs and I checked the date. June. We’re almost in September. Eternal September.
At least the mall of Reddit is open 24/7.
That new mom and pop down the road seems to close at random times during the day. 😉
It’s like Walmart. Open 24/7 but full of shit garbage and shit people.
The Walmarts near me haven’t been open 24/7 since the pandemic. Definitely still full of garbage and shitty people, though.
You can use less overpopulated server
The instance I use is ran by a bunch of Unix nerds, so I’d expect them to wear their uptime as a badge of honour. I suspect there’s probably a sweet spot for instance size, where it doesn’t hit the biggest scaling problems, but big enough to justify the ongoing effort, rather than obviously being a one-man shop that will vanish when his cheque to Digital Ocean bounces.
Ahhh, defending reddit because lemmy.world is the target of constant ddos attacks? Just go to a different instance. Lemmy’s not closed. A single entrance is just being blocked by assholes who support billionaire-owned platforms.
It’s like a mall where the main entrance is closed for construction, but all the other entrances, including the entrances through different stores, are all open.
It’s more like a mall where the main entrance is being blocked by dipshit reactionaries and trolls picketing in front of it.
I used the construction analogy because they are at least trying to fix the DDOS issues, or at least that’s what I’ve heard.
😉
Is lemmy.world really that bad?
Lemmy.ca went out, like, twice in the time I’ve used it.
As a .world user, it’s had some instability. Though in general I’d say it has okay uptime for a somewhat startup, volunteer enthusiast run content aggregation & discussion platform.
You can always poke at https://status.lemmy.world to see how things are going 😁
It is, loads for me about 70% of the time.
Very annoying to use.
What’s making you stay on lemmy.world?
already have an account, don’t want to go through the hassle of transferring it and recreating my subscriptions
There are tools to easily migrate your account now. It’s pretty effortless.
Small communities that are interoperable” is basically what Reddit is now.
Which is EXACTLY why federation fits the reddit style of forum like a glove, and why ultimately Lemmy is the path forward.
I’m also on Mastodon, and saw posts saying “you can follow Lemmy communities from Mastodon!” - and sure enough you can, but by god you shouldn’t unless you want your feed to be full of comments without context.
Yeah it’s kinda weird that from mastodon it boosts all the comments instead of just the posts. You can tap into the posts to see the comments anyways, can’t you?
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This is the problem I’m having now and I don’t know how to go back.
💯
Lemmy, can we do better? I came here to hang out with a scrappy new community of people excited about cool shit. Instead it’s a bunch of people bitching about Reddit and X. C’mon let’s make this place fun and exciting.
Sir, this is a technology sub/comm. It must be filled with articles about social media businesses at all times, or the ancient ones will get hungry.
There are plenty of budding communities in the federation. The Reddit and X posts are slowing down, so that is nice. Not so long ago, Lemmy was absolutely flooded by /c/memes, but other activity has started to balance it out. The main problem is that it took years to build some of the niche subs on Reddit so it will take time to get those started again.
An even better sign is that OC NSFW creators are showing up here more and more. Where they go, people follow, no questions asked.
You’re already going in the wrong direction by expecting Lemmy or any of its instances to try to be the gold standard. The whole point of a federated system is that we can have multiple points of entry into this space if one site should go down or become otherwise toxic to its user base.
AKA don’t put all your eggs in one basket.
Don’t forget jerking off over Linux
mander.xyz is awesome, if you select by local you only get science posts from communities that are visited and commented on. programming.dev has some good communities too, that probably need some good comments and content so people don’t give up on them.
You need to pick your home instance well to have a good head start, otherwise, you’ll spend every day blocking communities that take up space in you discovery feed when you select by “all”.
I think the thing that happened to digg is happening to reddit. It’s not surprising.
Reddit digged it’s own grave
Its* own grave.
*dugg its own grave.
What’s this about Dig Dug?
I’ve come up with the following rules for my own relationship with Reddit.
- I will avoid posting on Reddit.
- If I do post on Reddit, I must make a similar post on another forum, maybe Lemmy, maybe somewhere else.
Number 2 is important because it helps other small communities grow.
It’s not a problem if a lot of people post on one forum, but it is a problem if a lot of people post only on one forum. I wont allow myself to post only on Reddit.
That said, I haven’t posted on Reddit since June.
Deleted my 10 year account a few months ago. Haven’t looked back. Once in a while my google searches will point me to some reddit thread, and I’ll check it out, but I have logged in for the last time.
Same story here. Soon as they fucked around with Apollo I grabbed my towel and haven’t looked back. At this point my only interest is morbid curiosity about how bad it’ll get.
My rule is “don’t post on Reddit unless it’s giving a reason to delete it”
This post is a total shitshow. I get the sentiment, and to some amount agree. But who the fuck wrote this drivel? its the worst shit I’ve read in seconds on the internet, and that usually takes hours.
Self Aggrandizing Self Posters… GFY
Weird, I thought it was a well written article.
Thanks lol
Look at fancy pants over here reading the actual article we’re talking about
Maybe an AI wrote it. 🥸
These posts are exhaustingly far from the reality of the situation. Please don’t make the fediverse kick the puppy that is your optimistic opinion, OP.
Edit: OP downvoted everyone who disagreed with him.
Edit: OP downvoted everyone who disagreed with him.
Sigh. Please OP, we’re not doing that here. Downvotes should be reserved for trolls and the counterproductive. This comment with its snappy “kick the puppy that is your opinion” is not the most productive, but there are downvotes from OP on way more innocuous things, even one comment that agrees reddit is dying but in a different way than the linked article envisions.
Please leave that behavior on reddit.
How do you know what did they vote on?
Dunno about over on lemmy, but on kbin we have an “activity” link on each comment exposing all voters.
Oh wow! Do you also see Lemmy users there?
Vote federation can be a little wonky, but generally, yeah.
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/443332/reddit-monthly-visitors/
Their traffic is unaffected. Reddit has never been part of the public conversation, outside of its reused content on blogs and autogenerated YouTube content. It has never had cultural relevance due to its conspicuously self contained nature, despite its size. Shops have closed but are reopening and profits are consistent(ly absent) month to month, the exodus affected little. If I were to amend your title, it would read “Reddit has always been a dying mall.”
You’ve described the situation as dramatically as possible to the crowd most excited to hear it and I’m just tired of hearing “Reddit is dying.” It is exhausting. The article is a great summary of everything I hate about Reddit because it is intended to be.
Reddit has definitely had cultural significance. That’s why AMAs used to happen there so often and it was in the news for months after the Boston Bomber. It’s like 4chan in that it seems super niche but it pops up every now and then in the cultural zeitgeist, sometimes for bad reasons like The Donald leading the charge for a Trump presidency and sometimes for good reasons like the niche hobby subs.
This shit is from June lol
I think inevitably Reddit’s utter collapse will be power mods causing intense drama as well the mods who are actually capable of curating content properly having left. I was surprised no hate subs spawned from the migration away from reddit, but I realized something. The people who would likely moderate hate subs now moderate the mainstream subs. Shit is going to hit the fan.
I think the next time the owners do something stupid there will be a similar exodus, and there will already be larger alternative communities available than there were last time and more people will leave and stay left. I think it could also happen the same way more than twice.
That’s what happened with twitter and mastodon. People will come in waves.
Agreed, I think Reddit is going to die in fits and bursts and the fediverse will continue to build momentum with each wave. I think it’s arguable that we’re already starting to see this shift happen with Twitter and Mastodon. A behemoth like Reddit was never going to die overnight, but the users who really care have left or will leave soon. And it’s those users who made Reddit what it was, not its scale imo.
the best of the best are slowly decamping one by one. I see old communities on here all the time
Hah, so Reddit will force the crybabies to grow up or die trying, win-win!
