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    Goalpost moving in action. The quote in my previous comment was that it wasn’t intended to be a living wage. Just take the L, dude.

    Whether it was the intention or whether it was the effect are two separate threads of discussion.

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      The evidence that minimum wage was intended to be a living wage is that FDR said it was. Have you started believing everything a politician says?

      There is no external evidence to support FDRs claim. Looking at the Fair Labor Standards Act contradicts his claim, $0.25 an hour is not enough, the act passed easily and $0.35 could have been set if they wanted to.

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        Quite a stretch to argue because minimum wage didn’t fulfill its intended goal on day 1 that wasn’t the intention….

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          Minimum wage never fulfilled its claimed goal. FDR had opportunities to make minimum wage a living wage but never did, the very next year minimum wage was raised to $0.30 per hour, still below a living wage.

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            Minimum wage never fulfilled its claimed goal

            I’ll agree with you there.

            Politics are gonna politic, and there’s always going to be someone against something, even if I’d seems like a no-brainer.

            In the case of minimum wage though, that’s all the more reason to push to expand it, not just give up because FDR didn’t get it perfect the first time.

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              Politics are gonna politic, and there’s always going to be someone against something, even if I’d seems like a no-brainer.

              If the intent was a living wage then why did FDR champion the $0.25 bill instead of the AFL backed $0.40 bill? He had veto proof majority for its passing. The politics was pretending minimum wage wage was intended to be a living wage.

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                Because politics is just as much about cooperation as it is about passing legislation.

                What you’re leaving out is the veto-proof majority he had was a result of compromises due to opposition from Southern States and previous attempts at similar bills being struck down by the Supreme Court.

                https://www.dol.gov/general/aboutdol/history/flsa1938

                $0.25 is more than half of the AFL backed $0.40 figure you gave, so considering he had to compromise to appeal to the minority AND Supreme Court it’s actually not a bad floor.

                Once again, just because it wasn’t the ideal amount on day 1 doesn’t mean the original intent was a lie. What a dumb hill to die on.

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compromise

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                  Then why was he able to get it to $0.30 a year later or $0.40 in 1945?

                  You still have not provided any supporting evidence that the minimum wage was intended to be a living wage, all you have is some guy said it so it must be true.

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                    Then why was he able to get it to $0.30 a year later or $0.40 in 1945?

                    Because negotiations can happen with any new legislation, and the US votes every 2 years to elect or re-elect members of congress. Therefore the political landscape can vary greatly within a 2 year span and it can be easier or harder with each congress to pass or amend certain laws. There are 7 years between 1938 and 1945, enough time for the political landscape to change multiple times.

                    This is a great example of why we need better education in this country. This is some constitution 101 shit.

                    And yes, I provided a direct quote from FDR saying as much. You just didn’t like it. We back to circling around things you don’t want to accept, Jimbo?