• ID411@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    4 months ago

    I’m not trying to be a prick here, but I am trying to introduce the idea that you might have relied only on News, to inform yourself about these situations.

    For example, you’ve said “Russia regularly threatens to Nuke the UK” - so find a few examples and we’ll go over them together.

    What we’re looking for, are words from the Russian government, statements, press conferences and such - primary sources and not from a newspaper (unless the newspaper quotes the source.) Its a very serious issue, so it should demand a high standard of proof, but to save time, we can exclude the ones that are threats of retaliation.

    As an extension, look up Britains defence obligations towards Taiwan. You’ve said they are an “ally” to Brtiain but in fact Britain doesn’t even recognise them as an independent State .

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      Lmao you’re acting like the press in Russia is free. It isn’t. Nuke threats on state TV, large government-backed papers, government staff, and Putin-allied ex-presidents are government sanctioned.

      What obligates the UK to defend its allies? Oh I dunno, promises made, morals, and the cold-hearted pragmatist view that losing Taiwan would be a complete disaster for the UK and the world in general. Semiconductors are kind of a big deal. There’s this new invention called the microprocessor - they’re pretty neat, and used practically everywhere!

      I don’t know why I’m bothering talking to a tankie. No matter what I say you’ll never shift from your position that Russia/China good, west bad.

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          Youve described Taiwan as ally

          Because they are.

          while Britain doesn’t not even recognise them as a state

          Very few do. That’s unfortunate, but countries can’t really get by if China decides to sanction them. They’re very embedded in the world economy. So we support Taiwan while not officially recognising them as a state wink wink.

          The UK has recognised them more than most though. There are embassies, there have been state visits (extremely rare when it comes to Taiwan), and the House of Commons Foreign Affairs Select Committee have stated that “Taiwan is an independent country” - in other words, the UK has went as far as you can go in recognising Taiwan without having sanctions from China.

          If you put any thought into the geopolitical and economic ramifications of it, you’d understand why it’s a lot more complex than the primary school-level understanding you appear to have of the situation.

          You think the world is run on morals

          Never said that. You asked why the UK should defend allies being invaded by dictatorships like Russia or China, and I gave that as one of the reasons to do so.

          and that Britain needs semiconductors from TSMC

          Because they do, along with everybody else.

          but you can’t tell me which promise

          Committments made to help allies.

          or why we can’t use semi conductor from any of the other manufacturers.

          Omg are you actually this clueless? Practically everyone uses TSMC. The world would be set back so much without TSMC. They’re the market leader. Even Intel uses TSMC.

          and morals

          You don’t see what’s morally wrong with Russia or China invading their neighbours, killing thousands, and making them live under a dictatorship? You don’t see what’s morally wrong with Russia committing a genocide now? The rape and torture they’ve committed and are committing right now?

          Jesus. I mean I know you’re a tankie, but that’s fucked up even for them.

          It’s not unfair to call to you a fucking know nothing Moron, educated by YouTube.

          Ironic.