When you compare Biden to Trump vs. the effects on the Palestinians, were Trump president again, he would not just help the Israelis exterminate the Palestinians, but encourage them to do so quickly- as he’s already told Bibi to “finish it”. So your dichotomy is more than a bit disingenuous .

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
    8221·
    2 months ago

    If our only standard is not a Republican, then everytime Republicans lower their standards, they lower the only other option’s standards too.

    It’s not fucking sustainable.

    • njm1314@lemmy.world
      297·
      2 months ago

      You know I hear people say this and and yet the Democratic Party is further to the left than it was under Bill Clinton. So how does it follow? I mean I hear people say stuff like we keep moving further to the right and the Republicans certainly are, but I see a Democratic party that’s for gay rights and that didn’t use to exist. I see a Democratic Party that’s that’s talking about higher taxes on the wealthy and trade regulations and consumer protection Acts. None of that was true in the '90s. In the 90s the Democrats said the era of big government is over. Now Democrats are supporting good government policies. We can certainly support better government policies, and I personally would like to see them go much further , but I can’t see a scenario in which the Democratic party isn’t further left than they were.

        • Clent@lemmy.world
          54·
          2 months ago

          This is a proposed political idea. It doesn’t make it true and doesn’t make the statement that are options are reduced unless we all allow it to be true.

          If the Republican decide to burn all gay people, one cannot claim to be a democrat because they simply want to gas them all.

          We decide where the line is drawn. Ignore the propaganda that tells us we have no control over the process. That apathy is how the window shifts, not because the republicans shift.

        • bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          22·
          2 months ago

          The Overton window is a way of framing change in the baseline ideology of a population. It is hardly a “law” or dogma of any kind. On its own it’s meaningless, you can’t just couch an argument in “…because of the Overton window.” It’s also got its valid detractors like broken window theory and such.

          • DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            61·
            2 months ago

            Lol, I wasn’t making an argument that anything is “because of the Overton window”, the OP of this thread is literally describing how the Overton window works. You, and that other person not liking or understanding it, doesn’t change that, nor the fact that what op described is demonstrably happening in politics right in front of your fucking eyes, and only “doesn’t follow logic” if you’re aggressively wilfully ignorant.

      • ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de
        93·
        2 months ago

        Not in terms of pure logic but definitely in practical terms. You don’t get far in humanities if you only follow pure logic.

        • Clent@lemmy.world
          22·
          2 months ago

          So is societal which means it’s not a person or group but all of us. It isn’t just this one thing everyone on the left likes to point out as if that absolves them from having any personal responsibility in the matter.

          The concept causes itself to exist by acceptance that it is inevitable.