• Epicmulch@lemm.ee
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    It’s literally not a genocide. If Hamas gave up the hostages and their leaders who committed Oct 7th the war would end. That’s how you know it’s not a genocide. With facts and logic and stuff.

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      Any country that intentionally withholds food, medicine, and potable water to a population it considers problematic is a nation that is intentionally committing genocide.

      That is a pretty good definition. It’s also more stringent than the definition of the ICJ.

      Congratulations on justifying genocide.

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        You didn’t even respond to what I actually said. You just repeated some phrase you’ve probably used before. It’s not a genocide because if the leadership gave up and they released their civilian hoststeges the war would be over. That’s how you know its not a genocide. If it was a genocide it wouldn’t matter if the leaders gave up or if they released the hoststeges.

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          You’re not responding to anyone that actually raises valid points you can’t address.

          Why are you so invested in not recognizing a genocide happening right in front you?

          You still haven’t responded to the person that pointed out that Israel has shot it’s own people that were hostages that escaped holding up SOS signs.

          Also, one of the big points that is contentious for the peace talks is that Israel won’t promise a permanent cease-fire even if the hostages are returned.

          You’re lying about that point. It’s provable that you’re lying, and the fact that you won’t engage on that point at all, except to spew more genocide denial lies clearly shows that you have such bad cognitive dissonance that you’re not even capable of rational argument.

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      If Hamas gave up the hostages

      Israel Gaza: Hostages shot by IDF put out ‘SOS’ sign written with leftover food

      The Israeli hostages - Yotam Haim, 28, Samer Talalka, 22, and Alon Shamriz, 26 - were killed in the Shejaiya neighbourhood of Gaza City on Friday as Israeli troops face stiff resistance.

      According to an Israeli military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, the men emerged shirtless from a building, with one carrying a stick with a white cloth.

      One of the soldiers, the official added, felt threatened, as the men were at a distance of tens of metres, declared them “terrorists” and opened fire. Two were immediately killed while the third, wounded, returned to the building.

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      There was genocide on Palestinians before Oct. 7th. Do you think a bunch of people randomly decided to attack Israel for fun?

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        How can there be a genocide of the Palestinians if their population has been steadily increasing over the last 50 years? Wouldn’t a real genocide result in a population decline?

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          Even setting aside “population growth” as a popular genocide denial trope, its a false claim. During the Gaza blockade dating back to 2008 the IDF implemented a policy designed to strictly limit the number of food calories entering the Gaza corridor, for the purpose of engineering famine as a limit on population growth.

          Consequently, Gaza residents have some of the highest mortality figures in the world both in terms of shortened lifespans and high rates of infant mortality. Their population has been stagnant for decades, in a region where every other neighboring population has grown over time.

          This is because of a deliberate Israeli policy to cap the number of Palestinian residents who can survive in Gaza. It is a textbook instance of a concentration camp.

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            They aren’t targeting civilians. This is Internet misinformation. If you actually look at what’s happening instead of getting all your information from social media comments. Hamas is embedded underneath civilians. Hamas has said they want civilian deaths.

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              Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo…

              How about that starvation with Israel controlling and blocking all ingress and egress points on the Gazan border, eh?

              Yeah, totally not targeting civilians. Are you this stupid for everything or just something you’ve swallowed the propaganda for?

              I’m giving you the benefit of not being paid for this bullshit, but maybe I shouldn’t given the age of your account.

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              The IDF has said that they want civillian deaths, lmao. Stop defending the eviceration of tens of thousands of children, you’re an actual monster.

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                I’m quite literally not. But the way your acting is why nobody can have an actual truthful conversation about that’s happening.

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                  Everyone else is truthfully acknowledging Israels stated and shown intentions as a fascist, genocidal aparthied state to wipe Palestinians off the face of the Earth.

                  The only solution to this conflict is the complete dismantling of Israel and replacing it with a democratic, secular state where Palestinians are equal citizens.

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                    … I am at a loss for words. If only we lived in a world where either side would let that happen. But if in a different universe that was possible then I agree with you. I wish it was.