I’m left wing let me parrot right wing talking points about how inclusion hurts white people!
It’s not a subtle or clever tactic and it doesn’t fool anyone these days but people still insist on LARPing/concern trolling in comment sections. It’s like a compulsion.
So, we’re on the same page that racism is a problem and we should eradicate it.
The part where we disagree is that it will be solved if we ignore it. DEI initiatives are a redress to things like systemic racism and other inequalities. Once we truly don’t have to force people to do it, it’ll be great.
Not exactly. I think we should act to alleviate inequality but we don’t need to resort to racism to do it.
How about instead of race we use economic indicators to choose who to help? It’s a far more accurate indicator and easier to test for than holding up a color chart (family income, education, tax returns) and actually helps more people that need it than only helping (insert the race you want to preference here).
What exactly is racist about diversity, inclusion or equity?
This is the big issue: we as leftists complain that liberals don’t listen to us, but when they actually adopt our language, we just accuse them of being racists.
Many left wingers are on the left solely because they hate liberals, and once they age out of protesting, almost always move to the far right. Seeing that you consider equity to be racist, I would say it is highly likely you have already began the rightwing creep and just haven’t realized it yet.
Racism = treating differently based on race.
Changing the colour of your clan robes from white to black doesn’t make you less of a racist.
You’re falling into the trap so many do where they think their racism is the only good one and is right and justified. Spoiler, every racist thinks the same. Just treat people the same mate.
Please, tell me more about “my racism.” I’m genuinely curious what somebody who likely does nothing for their or anybody else’s community has to say about “my racism.”
I really don’t understand your point.
“As the most Lefty Left McLefterson who ever Lefted here’s some right wing talking points I heard on Tucker Carlson’s Twitter show”
Lmao yeah okay pal 🙄
“I’m a black gay guy and I can personally say that Obama did nothing for me, my life only changed a little bit and it was for the worse. Everything is so much better under Trump though. I feel respected - which I never do when democrats are involved.”
Yes, the true racists are the ones who invited the blacks (replace woth any group at your will) to the dinner and broke bread with them…
Fuck off with that nonsense.
Dude I’m left wing
Of course using DEI as a pejorative or a slur is reactionary, but there are legitimate criticisms of DEI. Diversity, equity, and inclusion sound good on their face, but things get complicated when even a little critical thinking is applied. Diversity of what, exactly? Diversity of culture, beliefs, ideals? Ok, but some cultures have beliefs that DEI proponents might find problematic, like homophobic ideas or sexist ideas. So, clearly, we don’t actually want too much diversity of ideals. DEI proponents don’t want to be inclusive to people they see as intolerant, so clearly there are limits to diversity and inclusion.
Equity is justice and fairness, but what is considered just and fair can change from culture to culture. If we are a diverse and multicultural country, which culture’s conception of justice and fairness do we use to determine what is equitable?
You’ve misapplied progressive language in such a way as to make me suspect this comment is an example of astroturfing. I almost hope that is the case, because the alternative is that you have allowed ignorance and implicit bias to lead you down a path of self justified racism/bigotry. As the dominant culture, it is not our place to decide to exclude groups of people based on a preconception. Every culture has blindspots. But none of them are absolutes. You tolerate the culture, and try to discourage behavior that is detrimental to the whole. Otherwise we’d ban most religions. Even western ones.
As the dominant culture, it is not our place to decide to exclude groups of people based on a preconception.
I’m not sure progressives are the dominant culture in America, but regardless exclusion based on preconception is not the only kind of exclusion. You can exclude cultures based on behaviors that have demonstrated to lead to unacceptable consequences, and that does include white conservatives. It’s clear that liberals believe white, Christian conservative culture is at least partly unacceptable, even dangerous, and yet you insist it be tolerated. This seems, foolish. Especially since those conservatives seem hell bent on destroying your culture. It’s like refusing to remove a murderer from your home because that would go against the spirit of inclusion.
Every culture has blindspots. But none of them are absolutes. You tolerate the culture, and try to discourage behavior that is detrimental to the whole. Otherwise we’d ban most religions. Even western ones.
But what you’re describing isn’t inclusion, it’s passive assimilation. Discouraging behaviors you consider detrimental isn’t inclusion, it’s the opposite. Even if you are not excluding the whole culture, you are excluding part of it. I don’t think that’s a bad thing, but it’s not inclusivity and diversity, it’s promoting cultural homogeny, at least homogeny of some core principles. So, even if you don’t want to outright ban most religions, even western ones, because that would go against your core principles, you do want to “ban” (albeit not overtly) some aspects of those cultures.
People here want to pretend like only conservatives would dislike DEI but they’re wrong.
I want to live in a world where people think about the color of people’s skin the way they do hair or eye color - which is to say they don’t.
I’m sorry but I will not treat you differently based on the color of your skin.
These are the same people who were pushing “Latinx” meanwhile no one who is actually a part of that community knew what the fuck they were on about. Thankfully it seems to have died pretty quickly.
