cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/14778555

@MaxBlumenthal

“Democracy is on the ballot”

@DrJillStein

BREAKING: Jill Stein and her Campaign Manager and Deputy Campaign Manager, Jason Call and Kelly Merrill-Cayer, have been arrested at Washington University in St. Louis while supporting a protest against WashU’s ties to the war on Gaza. Video from @KallieECox

Direct video link: https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1784410882627227648/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/0RbEXrPU8hvKoqwU.mp4

Source: https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1784440127734812900

  • BossDj@lemm.ee
    16·
    5 months ago

    While running for president in 2016, Jill Stein attended a gala in Moscow to promote RT “News”, the Russian propaganda machine that is banned in several countries.

    There’s, she was photographed seated at a table with Putin and his entourage, as well as Michael Flynn.

    • kinther@lemmy.world
      8·
      5 months ago

      I voted Jill Stein in 2016. My vote didn’t matter as I’m in Washington state and we went for Clinton anyway. I was a low information voter at the time and have since resolved to pay way more attention to things like this.

  • Dkarma@lemmy.world
    134·
    5 months ago

    3rd party candidates can’t get to 270. Voting for them technically helps trump.

      • rappo@lemmy.worldEnglish
        36·
        5 months ago

        How’s that working out for us? How do you see it actually working for us?

        Even before Trump, no one could break through the stranglehold the two party system has. There’s an entire segment of people who are neither centrist nor conservative who have been and will continue to be without a voice. Those people will continue to vote blue/centrist because it’s better than the alternative. Or they will continue to vote red/conservative because there’s no alternative.

        The closest we’ve seen to a viable third party candidate was Perot over 30 years ago with 19% of the vote. And you could argue he got by on his “outsider” charm much like trump, rather than any decent ideology.

        Keep money and PACs and lobbying in the mix and there will be no change. Keep voting in blue/red and we keep the money flowing… but there’s no conceivable way to vote them out.

        I get that in this moment in time it feels like life or death for democracy and it’s anybody but Trump, but let’s imagine that’s all behind us and the threat of Trump is gone. What now? How do we actually get representation instead of two parties run by and for corporations? Because nothing anyone has done in my lifetime so far has made a dent.

        • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
          43·
          5 months ago

          You can give up if you’d rather. Or you can look at what America in particular and the world in general used to be and take the wins the left has won and build off them, while learning from the losses.

          Unfortunately, one of those lessons is never actually trust liberals, but that’s what the organizing is for.

          And if our efforts can’t halt the oh so obvious disaster… Well, revolutions don’t happen when people are happy.

          • rappo@lemmy.worldEnglish
            22·
            5 months ago

            I do feel like giving up. But my question remains, what is the path forward? Let’s say I help “organize”, what does that look like? Protesting in streets doesn’t work in America, speaking with your money does… but I don’t have the money to compete with corporations and collectively we don’t, either.

            sidebar: I’m currently at 0 internet points for my comment. Not saying it was you, it probably wasn’t, but my comment was genuine and not some shitpost or edgy hot take. I thought the reason we’re here and not reddit is (among many other things) because voting is used to highlight good conversations that we need to have (and to bury the bullshit), it’s not a hivemind agree/disagree button.

  • runjun@lemmy.world
    9·
    5 months ago

    Quite funny to use Jill Stein for this considering she’s done her bit selling us out.

  • PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee
    2·
    5 months ago

    Bruh she’s not even the green candidate this year, literally her only political relevance is bougie white leftists bending over backwards to the point of folding at the belly button to be defensive knobs about having voted for her in 2016 because “don’t vote shame me with alarmism, they wouldn’t ever take away abortion rights you DNC shill!”

  • Liz@midwest.socialEnglish
    42·
    5 months ago

    Excuse me, OP. Please provide a presidential voting strategy that you would like me to employ with the goal of maximizing positive impact. That’s generally my goal. I try to things that will have a positive impact on society. Please note that ineffective actions don’t have any impact, by definition.

    I ask for a voting strategy because you seem to be drawing a line connecting a phrase used to argue in favor of voting for Joe Biden for president (over Trump) with an incident that has recently happened in St. Louis. Presumably you think this incident is bad (on the surface I think it is, too) and would like for things to improve. Presumably you also think Biden is in favor of the outcome with this incident. Do you think Trump would be against this outcome?

    There are, of course, other ways to deal with the negative incident that don’t center around your individual vote for president, but you seem to be suggesting that the two are directly connected, which is why I asked my question.